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Sens Asking For A 1st for Phillips

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03-04-2014, 01:59 PM
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Thats fine, from a Blackhawks perspective, what would you be willing to pay then?
He wouldn't make the Black Hawks blueline, you know that.

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Markov worth more than Phillips
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I'd expect what Douglas Murray got at the trade deadline.

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So Penner gets a 4th, and Sens management think they'll get a 1st for Phillips?

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Yeah Phillips isn't going to get more than a 3rd in this market...yikes.

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Think again about that 1st after seeing what penner and robidas went for. should be interesting now

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Think again about that 1st after seeing what penner and robidas went for. should be interesting now
Difference is, these teams gave up players they didnt want. Sens still want Phillips, if not for the next 2 years than at least for the next 20 games. That's why the price is set sooooo high

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So Penner gets a 4th, and Sens management think they'll get a 1st for Phillips?
Why are you comparing the value of a complimentary winger and a SAH d-man, especially when the Penner deal appears to be cap/roster driven and not a normal "hockey trade"? That's like setting the value for PMD's based on the Erhoff to VAN trade when the deal was 100% cap driven by the Sharks.

It seems that players like Phillips typically tend to be more highly valued at the trade deadline as GM's are prepping for the P/O's. If Murray got two 2nd round DP's last year, I think that Phillips likely returns a 2nd & something small (mid-round pick or long shot prospect).

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Difference is, these teams gave up players they didnt want. Sens still want Phillips, if not for the next 2 years than at least for the next 20 games. That's why the price is set sooooo high
This game is getting so old. Teams say "oh, this guy is available! Send us your offers." but then when teams give a reasonable price, the selling team says "Well, we like what he brings to our team. We don't want to trade him."

Is he available or not? Do these teams really need to say something like "we're only accepting vast overpayment"?

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Lol. No.

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This game is getting so old. Teams say "oh, this guy is available! Send us your offers." but then when teams give a reasonable price, the selling team says "Well, we like what he brings to our team. We don't want to trade him."

Is he available or not? Do these teams really need to say something like "we're only accepting vast overpayment"?
Well, thats a huge part in the valuation, isn't it? Think about it straightforwardly. The amount a team is interested in retaining a player plays a huge part in how they value him. A trade is only made when the buying team meets or surpasses the selling teams valuation of the asset.

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In other words, Phillips isn't going to be traded.

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Well, thats a huge part in the valuation, isn't it? Think about it straightforwardly. The amount a team is interested in retaining a player plays a huge part in how they value him. A trade is only made when the buying team meets or surpasses the selling teams valuation of the asset.
Right, but it's traditionally considered that a player is "available" when he's no longer in his team's plans. What teams are starting to say now is just: you can have our players if you pay a king's ransom! They might as well advertise that every one of their players is available in case of massive overpayment. This is what's happening with Edler, and it's ridiculous. Gillis is dangling a guy he has no real intention of trading because he wants to see if anybody is insane enough to pay his incredibly inflated price.

and that's what's going on with Philips. "You can have our guy if you massively overpay! But we really like him, so we won't accept reasonable offers."

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Well, thats a huge part in the valuation, isn't it? Think about it straightforwardly. The amount a team is interested in retaining a player plays a huge part in how they value him. A trade is only made when the buying team meets or surpasses the selling teams valuation of the asset.
Or if the player doesn't value the team and wants to move on.

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Right, but it's traditionally considered that a player is "available" when he's no longer in his team's plans. What teams are starting to say now is just: you can have our players if you pay a king's ransom! They might as well advertise that every one of their players is available in case of massive overpayment. This is what's happening with Edler, and it's ridiculous. Gillis is dangling a guy he has no real intention of trading because he wants to see if anybody is insane enough to pay his incredibly inflated price.

and that's what's going on with Philips. "You can have our guy if you massively overpay! But we really like him, so we won't accept reasonable offers."
No team is saying that. A couple posters on a website are that have no bearing on reality or actual value. If the sens want to move philips they will. Murray im sure has a price hes willing to accept and of its met bye bye Philips.

My guess is murray over valued philips based on the trades today so I doubt we will see him moved.

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Right, but it's traditionally considered that a player is "available" when he's no longer in his team's plans. What teams are starting to say now is just: you can have our players if you pay a king's ransom! They might as well advertise that every one of their players is available in case of massive overpayment. This is what's happening with Edler, and it's ridiculous. Gillis is dangling a guy he has no real intention of trading because he wants to see if anybody is insane enough to pay his incredibly inflated price.

and that's what's going on with Philips. "You can have our guy if you massively overpay! But we really like him, so we won't accept reasonable offers."
Teams want Phillips. Sens want a first. That's all this is.

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Right, but it's traditionally considered that a player is "available" when he's no longer in his team's plans. What teams are starting to say now is just: you can have our players if you pay a king's ransom! They might as well advertise that every one of their players is available in case of massive overpayment. This is what's happening with Edler, and it's ridiculous. Gillis is dangling a guy he has no real intention of trading because he wants to see if anybody is insane enough to pay his incredibly inflated price.

and that's what's going on with Philips. "You can have our guy if you massively overpay! But we really like him, so we won't accept reasonable offers."
This is basically what I posted earlier in this thread, and I think you're correct. Phillips was never truly "available" in trade.

With the Sens now offering 2 years, the extension is all but complete.

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I told anyone who would listen they wouldn't move him. Why would they? When the term comes out and it's 2 years, 2.25 per year - that is a bargain for a guy who plays hard and is currently mentoring Ceci.

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Bruins are unwilling to give up a first for MacDonald. Phillips?

We out!

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I'd rather have given him away for free than to re-sign him.

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Why are you comparing the value of a complimentary winger and a SAH d-man, especially when the Penner deal appears to be cap/roster driven and not a normal "hockey trade"? That's like setting the value for PMD's based on the Erhoff to VAN trade when the deal was 100% cap driven by the Sharks.

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OK how about comparing it to the Robidas value, which was for the exact same 4th round pick that was traded for Penner. Seems like my value comparison is pretty good considering Robidas and Penner got the exact same value

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Phillips for conditional 1st condition being the team hes traded to wins the cup/makes the scf otherwise 2nd I could see happening

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Bruins are unwilling to give up a first for MacDonald. Phillips?

We out!
If you trade for him, he'll win a norris!

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I wouldnt be surprise if Phillips end up in Boston

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Bob McKenzie@TSNBobMcKenzieAs per @Real_ESPNLeBrun Chris Phillips and OTT have agreed to 2 year contract at $2.5M per year. #Tradecentre

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