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03-05-2014, 08:46 AM
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Team Soviet Union?

Are there any players from any of the other former Soviet Republics that would have made the Russian Olympic team?

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No. Maybe Zubrus.

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Is the question if anyone who played for the Soviet team could have made the Russian team this year?

Because I am sure they would have loved a ton of players.

Kharlamov
Mikhalov
Fetisov
Larinov
Kovalev even
Federov
Makarov


I mean, I am sure Russia wishes it could have any of its Gold winning teams.

Those guys were not only all highly athletic, but highly skilled. Fit as can be and all played under one organized and innovative system that focused on team play and possession.

Tretiak would have been nice.

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Are there any players from any of the other former Soviet Republics that would have made the Russian Olympic team?
Nevermind. I get the question now.

Yea I am sure theres a few role players here or there.

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Nevermind. I get the question now.

Yea I am sure theres a few role players here or there.
If you look at past Soviet lineups, almost all of the players were from Russia. There were a handful of players over the years (e.g., Ozolinsh, Balderis, Khristich) who came from other Soviet Republics, but precious few.

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Maybe Ozolinsh but doubt anyone else.

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Maybe Ozolinsh but doubt anyone else.
At his age?

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They could have used Latvia's coach

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The only potential players to consider would be


Fedotenko
Ponikarovsky
Grabovski
Girgensons
Zubrus
Antropov
Starchenko
Kostitsyn


Of those I would say that only Grabovski would have an outside shot at the team, but Girgensons would probably make the 2018 hypothetical roster.

Ruslan Salei (RIP), if he were still alive and playing might have made the blueline, but then he didn plan to retire after that season.

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If you look at past Soviet lineups, almost all of the players were from Russia. There were a handful of players over the years (e.g., Ozolinsh, Balderis, Khristich) who came from other Soviet Republics, but precious few.
Depends how we define from other republics. The USSR team had quite a few Ukrainian born players. Of course most of those players had Russian written in their passports.

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Depends how we define from other republics. The USSR team had quite a few Ukrainian born players. Of course most of those players had Russian written in their passports.
Off the top, the only Ukrainians I can think of are Khristich, Shiryayev, Zhitnik and Zherdev. I'm sure I'm missing someone, but those are the only Ukrainians that I can think of that played for Soviet or Russian national teams.

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Off the top, the only Ukrainians I can think of are Khristich, Shiryayev, Zhitnik and Zherdev. I'm sure I'm missing someone, but those are the only Ukrainians that I can think of that played for Soviet or Russian national teams.
Tverdovsky, Vishnevsky, Yuldashev, Shundrov, Narimanov even Peter Bondra was born in Ukraine and didn't receive Slovak citizenship until he was 26.

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Peter Bondra was born in Ukraine and didn't receive Slovak citizenship until he was 26.
Must have been when he was 25 since he already played for Slovakia in August/September 1993 (he was born February 1968). Anyway, despite his Soviet passport Peter Bondra was not actually Ukrainian, neither ethnically nor as a hockey player.

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Must have been when he was 25 since he already played for Slovakia in August/September 1993 (he was born February 1968). Anyway, despite his Soviet passport Peter Bondra was not actually Ukrainian, neither ethnically nor as a hockey player.
I think you missed my point.

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I think you missed my point.
If that is the case then I have not only missed it in the first place, but I am still not seeing it.

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If that is the case then I have not only missed it in the first place, but I am still not seeing it.
If the point was that "The USSR team had quite a few Ukrainian born players", then I don't see how Bondra has any relevance.

As for the others, Shundrov played 2 friendlies while Yuldashev played 4 games at the Izvestia tournament. I don't think Narimanov played for the USSR.

Of course Tverdovsky and Vishnevsky never played for the USSR either but most probably would have had the USSR continued to exist.

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Tverdovsky, Vishnevsky, Yuldashev, Shundrov, Narimanov even Peter Bondra was born in Ukraine and didn't receive Slovak citizenship until he was 26.
Forgot about Tverdovsky and Vishnevsky. I believe that Ravil Yuldachev was born in Russia and migrated to Kiev to play for Sokil. I believe that Nikolai Narimanov was also born in Russia, as I recall (Sverdlovsk, the same city that produced Datsyuk, Yashin, Malakhov and Byakin). and he also moved to Kiev to play for Sokil. I don't remember either of those or Shundrov ever playing for the national team. If they did, I assume that it was in lesser tournaments just to see how they played with that level of competition. At any rate, you would have to say that Ukraine and other Republics contributed very few players to the national team.

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Forgot about Tverdovsky and Vishnevsky. I believe that Ravil Yuldachev was born in Russia and migrated to Kiev to play for Sokil. I believe that Nikolai Narimanov was also born in Russia, as I recall (Sverdlovsk, the same city that produced Datsyuk, Yashin, Malakhov and Byakin). and he also moved to Kiev to play for Sokil. I don't remember either of those or Shundrov ever playing for the national team. If they did, I assume that it was in lesser tournaments just to see how they played with that level of competition. At any rate, you would have to say that Ukraine and other Republics contributed very few players to the national team.
Correction. Narimanov did play for the national U20 team that played against Gretzky and company in Quebec in 1978.

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Girgensons would've been better than half the players on the Russian roster.

Whether he would've been invited is a different story.

I can't wait for this kid to develop, he's like Hanzal... Only his ceiling is much higher.

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Forgot about Tverdovsky and Vishnevsky. I believe that Ravil Yuldachev was born in Russia and migrated to Kiev to play for Sokil. I believe that Nikolai Narimanov was also born in Russia, as I recall (Sverdlovsk, the same city that produced Datsyuk, Yashin, Malakhov and Byakin). and he also moved to Kiev to play for Sokil. I don't remember either of those or Shundrov ever playing for the national team. If they did, I assume that it was in lesser tournaments just to see how they played with that level of competition. At any rate, you would have to say that Ukraine and other Republics contributed very few players to the national team.
Russia obviously was the main provider of the national team, but I'm sure if I actually did some research I could find some other players. Still the Ukrainian contribution of Zherdev, Tverdovsky and others aren't chopped liver.

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Russia obviously was the main provider of the national team, but I'm sure if I actually did some research I could find some other players. Still the Ukrainian contribution of Zherdev, Tverdovsky and others aren't chopped liver.
True. I'm not trying to diminish Ukraine's contribution.

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Grabovsky is the only one that has a chance...may be Bogosian

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Grabovsky is the only one that has a chance...may be Bogosian
Except Bogosian's grandfather fled in 1923 from western Armenia, which is now Turkey.

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Grabovski would have made the team, so would Girgensons. Outside chance for an Antropov? Possibly

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Except Bogosian's grandfather fled in 1923 from western Armenia, which is now Turkey.
A few corrections, it was his great grandfather and he moved to the US in 1910 to work. He supposedly planned to return to the Ottoman Empire but tragically during the genocide his wife and child were killed and he decided not to return. His great grandfather came from Sivas, 500k east of Ankara and his great grandmother came from Bahçecik, Kocaeli, near Istanbul.

I always found Bogosian's story interesting for a couple reasons. He's from the North Country in New York where I learned to play hockey and a distant family member of my own was an Armenian who lived in Turkey during the genocide. His wife and children was killed as well, but he fled to the USSR instead of the US. Funny how different paths sometimes lead to the same place.

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