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03-04-2014, 05:28 PM
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Got a great chuckle out of the NYC comparison in this thread when discussing Edmonton's LRT... Portand and its MAX system would've been a much better comparable as to how it is done right.

Edmonton is still recovering from the missteps and small town mentality that plagued this city during the 80's. If you were to open up a dictionary, the first thing you'd see under bureaucracy is an image of Edmonton.

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Got a great chuckle out of the NYC comparison in this thread when discussing Edmonton's LRT... Portand and its MAX system would've been a much better comparable as to how it is done right.
Are you trying to say NYC doesn't have one of the greatest public transit systems in NA?

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Here is a picture of the arena site from today...baccarat casino parking moved to the northeast section of the lot and the rest is fenced off for our new arena.



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Are you trying to say NYC doesn't have one of the greatest public transit systems in NA?
I'm trying to say that comparing Edmonton to one of the preeminent cities in the world (and one 15x the size) when it comes to public transportation is ridiculous.

NYC is exceptional, especially for a North American city but when it comes to rail transportation we still lag far behind Europe IMO.

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Got a great chuckle out of the NYC comparison in this thread when discussing Edmonton's LRT... Portand and its MAX system would've been a much better comparable as to how it is done right.

Edmonton is still recovering from the missteps and small town mentality that plagued this city during the 80's. If you were to open up a dictionary, the first thing you'd see under bureaucracy is an image of Edmonton.
Ironically what plagued Edmonton with that LRT design is the brutal decision to go underground through downtown and the countless millions that ate up. With this also resulting in excessive costs trying to get further south across the river and burrow up to U of A Health Science Center. Not to mention the multiple times the whole downtown stations have needed widescale repairs to fix ongoing major surface runoff leaks.

To say this was stupid for Edmontons climate is understatement, but it was the "build a world class LRT' thinking that got us totally onto the wrong track"

Actually some small town thinking would likely have been more sensible. Even Calgary had that..

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I'm trying to say that comparing Edmonton to one of the preeminent cities in the world (and one 15x the size) when it comes to public transportation is ridiculous.

NYC is exceptional, especially for a North American city but when it comes to rail transportation we still lag far behind Europe IMO.
Haven't been to Europe so I'll take your word for it. I just remember not needing a car and being able to get basically anywhere I wanted to go using New York's public transit. Would be nice if a person didn't need a car to get around Edmonton. Right now your basically forced to buy one.

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Ironically what plagued Edmonton with that LRT design is the brutal decision to go underground through downtown and the countless millions that ate up. With this also resulting in excessive costs trying to get further south across the river and burrow up to U of A Health Science Center. Not to mention the multiple times the whole downtown stations have needed widescale repairs to fix ongoing major surface runoff leaks.

To say this was stupid for Edmontons climate is understatement, but it was the "build a world class LRT' thinking that got us totally onto the wrong track"

Actually some small town thinking would likely have been more sensible. Even Calgary had that..
It's funny how when I talk about the LRT in Edmonton, I'm always reminded of the Simpsons Monorail episode. Think Edmonton got scammed by some crooked sales people.

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Haven't been to Europe so I'll take your word for it. I just remember not needing a car and being able to get basically anywhere I wanted to go using New York's public transit. Would be nice if a person didn't need a car to get around Edmonton. Right now your basically forced to buy one.
? NY doesn't even have what I call good connections to go to JFK.

A small city like Edmonton has much better connection to its International airport.

Go to Euro Cities and see what real public transit systems are.

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Here is a picture of the arena site from today...baccarat casino parking moved to the northeast section of the lot and the rest is fenced off for our new arena.

Somebody get the shovel out dammit!

Lets just build an outdoor arena and have winter classics all the time.

Look Vancouver, real snow!

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Here is a picture of the arena site from today...baccarat casino parking moved to the northeast section of the lot and the rest is fenced off for our new arena.

I live so close to here, I pass the area via 104th daily.

I don't think I've ever been so excited about construction related traffic delays.

Let the gongshow begin!

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Ironically what plagued Edmonton with that LRT design is the brutal decision to go underground through downtown and the countless millions that ate up. With this also resulting in excessive costs trying to get further south across the river and burrow up to U of A Health Science Center. Not to mention the multiple times the whole downtown stations have needed widescale repairs to fix ongoing major surface runoff leaks.

To say this was stupid for Edmontons climate is understatement, but it was the "build a world class LRT' thinking that got us totally onto the wrong track"

Actually some small town thinking would likely have been more sensible. Even Calgary had that..
No disagreement there actually.

If anybody is REALLY REALLY REALLY bored here's a sorta-kinda chronology of Edmonton's LRT woes http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...edmontons-lrt/

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Haven't been to Europe so I'll take your word for it. I just remember not needing a car and being able to get basically anywhere I wanted to go using New York's public transit. Would be nice if a person didn't need a car to get around Edmonton. Right now your basically forced to buy one.
You would think it would take a lot longer to move around New York using the MTA for sure, agreed. One thing that helps is the subway lines being doubled up so local and express trains can run simultaneously 24/7. Edmonton (and Calgary) are still very much car oriented cities... the sprawl doesn't help but both cities are making strides (slow as they may be) to try and reverse that trend and become more walkable cities but it will take time. That's why projects like the Quarters, Entertainment district, Blatchford lands where the City Center Airport is being redeveloped etc in Edmonton and East Village, Eau Claire redevelopment etc in Calgary are such exciting projects for Edmonton & Calgary IMO.

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? NY doesn't even have what I call good connections to go to JFK.

A small city like Edmonton has much better connection to its International airport.

Go to Euro Cities and see what real public transit systems are.
You can't get from JFK or LaGuardia to Manhattan via train. You also don't have a connection from Grand Central to Penn Station directly. Also, the convoluted underground network makes new construction extremely complicated. Its one of the reasons why any efforts to move Madison Square Garden get stalled. Also, look up the Second Avenue Subway, they have literally been working on it since 1929.

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? NY doesn't even have what I call good connections to go to JFK.

A small city like Edmonton has much better connection to its International airport.

Go to Euro Cities and see what real public transit systems are.
Does Edmonton's LRT go all the way out to Leduc?

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Does Edmonton's LRT go all the way out to Leduc?
Dedicated bus with frequent runs that shuttles from Century Park LRT to departures arrivals. Actually easier to use then driving out there. But as typical its a use it or lose it thing. It astounds me that people will insist on driving to the airport, spend excessive parking fees, have the inconvenience of the time it takes to drive in and out through pay parking gates when the bus cruises through there faster and gets in and out quick.

Its a good service.

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Dedicated bus with frequent runs that shuttles from Century Park LRT to departures arrivals. Actually easier to use then driving out there. But as typical its a use it or lose it thing. It astounds me that people will insist on driving to the airport, spend excessive parking fees, have the inconvenience of the time it takes to drive in and out through pay parking gates when the bus cruises through there faster and gets in and out quick.

Its a good service.
Agreed. I've only ever used it once, but it was a good experience. Most flights I take arrive later than midnight (last shuttle to CP), though, so it rarely lines up for me to use. Extending it even to 1 or 1:30 would ensure more people using it. Lots of late flights!

(off-topic, though... back to the arena! )

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Dedicated bus with frequent runs that shuttles from Century Park LRT to departures arrivals. Actually easier to use then driving out there. But as typical its a use it or lose it thing. It astounds me that people will insist on driving to the airport, spend excessive parking fees, have the inconvenience of the time it takes to drive in and out through pay parking gates when the bus cruises through there faster and gets in and out quick.

Its a good service.
I can't speak to the bus system from Edmonton to YEG, but in Calgary I'm not touching the bus out to YYC unless I'm travelling with only a small carry-on like my briefcase.

I don't want to haul my stuff around on my back or in my arms for any longer than I absolutely have to.

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I can't speak to the bus system from Edmonton to YEG, but in Calgary I'm not touching the bus out to YYC unless I'm travelling with only a small carry-on like my briefcase.

I don't want to haul my stuff around on my back or in my arms for any longer than I absolutely have to.
ha, I've perfected the light travel approach. No checked luggage, just get on the plane. I find I used to always overpack before. But this isn't boyscouts that be prepared motto just doesn't fly.

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ha, I've perfected the light travel approach. No checked luggage, just get on the plane. I find I used to always overpack before. But this isn't boyscouts that be prepared motto just doesn't fly.
That's fair. I travel for either work or play. In both cases I'm either hauling lots of excess baggage or my golf clubs.

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I've been meaning to use the Century Park to airport bus before... I heard its a different bus that has a luggage rack, is that right?

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I've been meaning to use the Century Park to airport bus before... I heard its a different bus that has a luggage rack, is that right?
The ones I've been on have a luggage area towards the front of the bus instead of the sideseat that is usually there to the opposite of the driver.

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Is it done yet?
What was supposed to be a 2.5 year project has inexplicably turned into an 8 year cluster****.

Oh wait, wrong thread.

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Honestly neither North America or Europe compare to the efficiency of public transit in Southeast Asia.

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Honestly neither North America or Europe compare to the efficiency of public transit in Southeast Asia.
Can't tell if it's joke.....

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