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03-07-2014, 09:51 AM
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Sadly, I'm not surprised anyone took my post seriously. Just the idea that the NHL should control a major international competition should be enough to put any sane and logical person off the idea. But there are few of those on this side of the Atlantic when it comes to international hockey. Too much entitlement.

I'd rather watch Division 3 of the world championships than another one of these joke pre-season exhibitions. But then again, I'm actually a fan of international hockey and not NHL all-star events so I'm aware there is some interest in this, quite unfortunately, from the "NHL is the only thing worth watching" types.

That said, I wouldn't mind a Canada/US best-of-7 or 5 or whatever every now and then. Those are the two countries the NHL operates in so that would at least make some sense. No reason to drag any other countries into the North America Cup.
I totally agree. If the games are going to be held in Canada and the United States, then the idea of a competition featuring national teams associated with the NHL makes most sense if its localized to the two markets that the NHL seeks to capture. Particularly in the United States, where hockey isn't the national pastime, making it an issue of nationalism might attract attention among those who aren't regular hockey fans.

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February is the most logical time for this, in my view.

I'd hope to see it in Feb 2016, or August 2015 if they can't get teams on board for Feb.

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February is the most logical time for this, in my view.

I'd hope to see it in Feb 2016, or August 2015 if they can't get teams on board for Feb.
February would be cool. If they could shut down the league for the Olympics, why not for the WC?

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03-12-2014, 08:23 PM
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February would be cool. If they could shut down the league for the Olympics, why not for the WC?
Because the league loses money/hurts the flow of the season/players could get injured/no real proof it will bring in more viewers etc.

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Because the league loses money/hurts the flow of the season/players could get injured/no real proof it will bring in more viewers etc.
My point is that doing a WC in February isn't doing any more damage than shutting down the league for the Olympics would, so I don't see how any of your arguments would apply here. The league would "lose money/hurt the flow of the season/players get injured" anyway, but at least with the WC, the NHL & NHLPA would get revenue from it. With the Olympics, most (if not all) of the revenue goes to the IOC or NOCs.

Olympics or WC, medal round games will get lots of viewers no matter how you slice it, but what'll generate more viewers?

Olympics: Austria vs. Norway

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WC: (insert top 8 hockey country) vs. (insert other top 8 hockey country)

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My point is that doing a WC in February isn't doing any more damage than shutting down the league for the Olympics would, so I don't see how any of your arguments would apply here.
It was irony. All those were NHL people/fans complaints about the Olympics.

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Because the league loses money/hurts the flow of the season/players could get injured/no real proof it will bring in more viewers etc.
John Tavares says hello among other players, I think Jagr got concussed in one of the Olympics, by I believe one of the Ruutu's

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Because the league loses money/hurts the flow of the season/players could get injured/no real proof it will bring in more viewers etc.
John Tavares says hello among other players, I think Jagr got concussed in one of the Olympics, by I believe one of the Ruutu's

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No reason to allow Hockey to be more like Soccer and globalize the game as best as possible. Allow the Olympics to continue with NHL players. Its 3 weeks of vacation for most players and 2 weeks of play from some players who love representing their countries. The NHL makes more from the Olympics than numbers will show. Popularity increase in the US has grown since 2010, you can clearly see it on many scales.

Its 4 years, 3 weeks... Not like there losing games.

Then every 2 years allow a World Cup.

More international games.

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03-13-2014, 11:13 AM
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John Tavares says hello among other players, I think Jagr got concussed in one of the Olympics, by I believe one of the Ruutu's
Nope. Tuomo was injured in 2006 and didn't play at all in the Olympics.

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It was irony. All those were NHL people/fans complaints about the Olympics.
If you were being sarcastic, then my apologies. I thought you were anti-WC for a sec.

I'm all for NHL Olympics, but it has to work for everybody: IOC, IIHF, NHL, NHLPA, KHL, etc. What that balance is, is another topic altogether.

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Firstly it should be called the Canada Cup again like Don Cherry always says, not the "World Cup" and I don't even like this tournament, consensus is that the NHL players still very much want to be participating in the olympics, the NHL better be going to the olympics so Canada can three peat in Korea and if it this tournament does happen, just like last time the two key arenas being the ACC in Toronto and Bell Centre in Montreal, could throw Ottawa in there too. 8 teams is good. I wouldn't mind this tournament if NHLers still go the olympics, they could do it once in between every olympics, so this year it would be 2016, then the 2018 olympics and the next one would be 2020, then the next olympics in 2022.

I really do feel that there is a big lack of best on best hockey tournaments, the olympics is the only one right now.


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John Tavares might have gotten hurt in the Olympics but id be shocked if he says he regrets going...

Stamkos was hurt and he tried his best to make it to the games regardless...

Players want to play... let them play. Who cares who owns their contract.

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Firstly it should be called the Canada Cup again like Don Cherry always says, not the "World Cup" and I don't even like this tournament, consensus is that the NHL players still very much want to be participating in the olympics, the NHL better be going to the olympics so Canada can three peat in Korea and if it this tournament does happen, just like last time the two key arenas being the ACC in Toronto and Bell Centre in Montreal, could throw Ottawa in there too. 8 teams is good. I wouldn't mind this tournament if NHLers still go the olympics, they could do it once in between every olympics, so this year it would be 2016, then the 2018 olympics and the next one would be 2020, then the next olympics in 2022.

I really do feel that there is a big lack of best on best hockey tournaments, the olympics is the only one right now.
Why would a tournament designed to crown the World Champion in hockey be called the Canada Cup? More ideas to make this tournament even more exhibition like.

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Why would a tournament designed to crown the World Champion in hockey be called the Canada Cup? More ideas to make this tournament even more exhibition like.
Umm because that's what this tournament originally was called, the Canada Cup, it eventually morphed into the World Cup. Learn your hockey history.

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Umm because that's what this tournament originally was called, the Canada Cup, it eventually morphed into the World Cup. Learn your hockey history.
Then I propose we rename Canada: New France. Quebec shall become Lower Canada, Ontario Upper Canada. Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta shall all be named Rupert's Land. That's after all what they were called, learn your own country's history: or more logical arguments.

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Why would a tournament designed to crown the World Champion in hockey be called the Canada Cup? More ideas to make this tournament even more exhibition like.
Canada Cup because Canada owns hockey. Simple.


Now, I wanna all the referees being from Canada there and I wouldn't mind sending 4 canadian teams there, hahaha.

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Canada Cup because Canada owns hockey. Simple.


Now, I wanna all the referees being from Canada there and I wouldn't mind sending 4 canadian teams there, hahaha.
Sounds good, let only Canadians play so the rest of us don't have to bother.

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Why would a tournament designed to crown the World Champion in hockey be called the Canada Cup? More ideas to make this tournament even more exhibition like.
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Umm because that's what this tournament originally was called, the Canada Cup, it eventually morphed into the World Cup. Learn your hockey history.
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Then I propose we rename Canada: New France. Quebec shall become Lower Canada, Ontario Upper Canada. Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta shall all be named Rupert's Land. That's after all what they were called, learn your own country's history: or more logical arguments.
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Sounds good, let only Canadians play so the rest of us don't have to bother.
Xokkeu is a good guy, TG. Very knowledgeable. Not prone to exaggeration - unlike some other U.S. posters. My guess.... He has had more than his fill of us Canadians beating our chests since the Olympics...

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Sounds good, let only Canadians play so the rest of us don't have to bother.
Ok, I was rather kidding ... I think it's now gonna be called World Cup forever ... but when you say Canada Cup....it just has the history in it

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Xokkeu is a good guy, TG. Very knowledgeable. Not prone to exaggeration - unlike some other U.S. posters. My guess.... He has had more than his fill of us Canadians beating our chests since the Olympics...
"Beating our chests". I would rather think it was the last sentence in the post by ToewsGretzky you quoted that was rather derogatory and provocative, no?

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Here's my take:


- Have the NHL and IIHF partner together; this way the NHL earns some revenue (unlike the Olympics) and it would be considered an international event.
- Call it something other than the "World Cup". When I think of World Cup, I think of soccer, not hockey or basketball. In order for people to recognize this tournament, it should have its own unique name.
- Have a week combine/practice a week before the NHL training camp. This way, teams can create systems and whatnot before the tourney.
- Replace the All-Star game with the tournament.
- The ice rink size should be the same as in 2002: hybrid.

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- Call it something other than the "World Cup". When I think of World Cup, I think of soccer, not hockey or basketball. In order for people to recognize this tournament, it should have its own unique name.
The Kummola Cup.

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The Kummola Cup.
The Sid The Kid Cup.

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Here's my take:


- Have the NHL and IIHF partner together; this way the NHL earns some revenue (unlike the Olympics) and it would be considered an international event.
- Call it something other than the "World Cup". When I think of World Cup, I think of soccer, not hockey or basketball. In order for people to recognize this tournament, it should have its own unique name.
- Have a week combine/practice a week before the NHL training camp. This way, teams can create systems and whatnot before the tourney.
- Replace the All-Star game with the tournament.
- The ice rink size should be the same as in 2002: hybrid.
You sir, should run this tournament!

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