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02-18-2007, 12:12 PM
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Reason for the extended slump

I think that originally the slump all began with the stomach flu debacle earlier in the season, which to me was the last time all 4 lines played with a lot of fire. After that Chris Higgins' injury just added to the difficulties as he was our main PP and SH scorer and our go-to guys in most situations. That caused both Kovalev and Samsonov to become irritated with their situation both wanting to be on the top line, and the position going to a rookie instead. Then Higgins came back, and Lats ended back on the third line even though he showed that he could do more.

After this team chemistry was in the crapper, players getting waived, Carbonneau stopped trying line changes and just tried to get players to click by playing a very restrictive system. Basically, the element of play and fun was eliminated and the players just got frustrated, tired of being stuck where they are which reached a peak with Samsonov asking to be traded.

The Habs are now on their way back, but things are slow and tedious the players are still frustrated and are trying to fight back with Carbonneau trying line changes, but seemingly the players just aren't playing well together anymore.

Whats needed to turn things around in my opinion.
1) Trying Samsonov on the top line, what's the worst that can happen? We lose a game?
2) Trying to setup a long-passing game again.
3) Focusing on forechecking
4) Bring some new blood through a minor trade.
5) Focus on player development like at the beginning of the season. If we can't win we should at least have better players out of the deal.
6) Stop trying to win, and start playing. They're trying WAY too hard right now. Third period was sad, it was bunker mentality all over. When you have one, you should want two, when you have two, you should want four. Stop trying to defend the lead and look to pad it. Who cares if you lose, you've been doing that. Look to have fun and put on a good show.

At least that's my opinion.

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02-18-2007, 12:21 PM
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The Habs are now on their way back, but things are slow and tedious the players are still frustrated and are trying to fight back with Carbonneau trying line changes, but seemingly the players just aren't playing well together anymore.

sorry..but this team had lost 6 in a row(worst streak since 2000) and i dont see how this team is on his way back

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sorry..but this team had lost 6 in a row(worst streak since 2000) and i dont see how this team is on his way back
They're on their way back because they are battling, they're playing hard...its just not coming out their way; they're still playing too defensively in the later periods.

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Hmmm

Things started to unravel at that time to be sure.

Two things stand out though.

1. The Habs having been taking way more penalties than they are getting the other way. We do not score much even strength so that has hurt. Lots of 5 on 3's against. This definitely led to the slide of the high PK %. And some peculiar calls. My fave would be Emery gets 2 minutes for trying to split open Lapierre's face while Boullion gets 4 minutes for double roughing?? Everybody else benefits from the 3 game suspension Emery got later.

2. Even when they have put up a good effort the bounces are not going their way. But it would help if they stepped up and took advantage of the chances they do get.

One thing is certain. The guys paid to score have to start doing that or we are toast.

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This is way beyond a slump

I never seen slumps last 2 months arguably more.

I just think this is a fragile bunch, they faced some adversity in december with the flu, they didn't respond then when they needed to.
instead they lost all confidence in themselves and each other. coupled with a sliding PP and PK, No real competitive 5 on 5 play, and then throw in average goaltending.

end result=Free fall

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2) Trying to setup a long-passing game again.
IMO, thats what have been wrong for a while...
Wingers that are waiting for the pass in the neutral zone..

We don't have the necessary puck moving defenseman to play that game. That leads to a lot of non-skating guy in the neutral zone.

We need to exploit our speed by keeping our passing game simple and SKATING WITH THE PUCK.

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IMO, thats what have been wrong for a while...
Wingers that are waiting for the pass in the neutral zone..

We don't have the necessary puck moving defenseman to play that game. That leads to a lot of non-skating guy in the neutral zone.

We need to exploit our speed by keeping our passing game simple and SKATING WITH THE PUCK.
Indeed the forwards are leaving the zone to quickly especially the wingers, too much seperation there,considering our defence can't make those long passes with any regularity.

BTW Montreal did much better in this area last game, as a result we weren't heemed in our own zone for long periods of time. to me this resulted in more offence from us 5 on 5. 45 shots as well.


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Watch Bouillon tonight.. When a player is coming in on him, watch him back up. Remember Bouillon last year? Stepping up into people, making them pay a price for a play? Yeah, we're seeing our players doing the opposite of what their game entails.

Ryder is deking and puck carrying? Bouillon is playing passively? Perezhogin a checking line player? Begin a first line winger?

Carbonneau needs to stop making players into something they are not and let them be who they are.

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I think that originally the slump all began with the stomach flu debacle earlier in the season, which to me was the last time all 4 lines played with a lot of fire. After that Chris Higgins' injury just added to the difficulties as he was our main PP and SH scorer and our go-to guys in most situations. That caused both Kovalev and Samsonov to become irritated with their situation both wanting to be on the top line, and the position going to a rookie instead. Then Higgins came back, and Lats ended back on the third line even though he showed that he could do more.

After this team chemistry was in the crapper, players getting waived, Carbonneau stopped trying line changes and just tried to get players to click by playing a very restrictive system. Basically, the element of play and fun was eliminated and the players just got frustrated, tired of being stuck where they are which reached a peak with Samsonov asking to be traded.

The Habs are now on their way back, but things are slow and tedious the players are still frustrated and are trying to fight back with Carbonneau trying line changes, but seemingly the players just aren't playing well together anymore.

Whats needed to turn things around in my opinion.
1) Trying Samsonov on the top line, what's the worst that can happen? We lose a game?
2) Trying to setup a long-passing game again.
3) Focusing on forechecking
4) Bring some new blood through a minor trade.
5) Focus on player development like at the beginning of the season. If we can't win we should at least have better players out of the deal.
6) Stop trying to win, and start playing. They're trying WAY too hard right now. Third period was sad, it was bunker mentality all over. When you have one, you should want two, when you have two, you should want four. Stop trying to defend the lead and look to pad it. Who cares if you lose, you've been doing that. Look to have fun and put on a good show.

At least that's my opinion.

Higgins actually came back from the injury two or three weeks before the flu hit. But overall I agree with basically everything you said.

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Anyway, it goes to show how fragile/important confidence is, or how varied the results can be from a given team on a "roll" vs. in a "slump". All of which, IMHO, argues against blowing things up for this team. Just figure out how to get back on a "roll" again. Good teams these days are just the ones who know how to stay on rolls, really. There isn't *that* much to choose between most teams in other ways.

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IMO, thats what have been wrong for a while...
Wingers that are waiting for the pass in the neutral zone..

We don't have the necessary puck moving defenseman to play that game. That leads to a lot of non-skating guy in the neutral zone.

We need to exploit our speed by keeping our passing game simple and SKATING WITH THE PUCK.


Thats why Souary is over rated , h is not a puck mover but a McCabe power play specialist, 5/5 he is terrible.

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We also had a lot of rest between games in the beginning of the season. We now are playing a hectic schedule and I don't think the team has the energy it had in the beginning of the season. Perhaps we need a better conditioning coach on the team?

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The idea that the team was great in the beginning of the season was an illusion. Many of the wins were lucky. Once the bad breaks started, it began to snowball. I don't know if anyone remembers, but not only was Higgins injured in that game against the Islanders in November, but so was Kovalev (knee). Neither has been the same since then.

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Our coach is horrible. Thats teh only reason I can see. Yes the players are responsible as well, but I have never seen such nonsense. Even Therrien maintained calm during his injury plagued years as our coach. Carbonneau hasn't had the same level of injuries.

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It always seems like the coach and or goalies get most of the heat in montreal. no matter what.

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Our coach is horrible. Thats teh only reason I can see. Yes the players are responsible as well, but I have never seen such nonsense. Even Therrien maintained calm during his injury plagued years as our coach. Carbonneau hasn't had the same level of injuries.
Carbo is a new coach, hence he will make some mistakes. But I don't think he's all to blame. I just hope that we keep him for at least 5 years. By that time he'll be running this team the way it should be. Right now he's still making some mistakes.

I still think that Carbo is our coach for years to come. I think its too late to bring an experienced guy, besides the only one out there of any qualify is Pat Quinn...and he's not the type of man to manage the team that we have now.

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Well, there is Pat Burns who is cancer free and looking for work. If indeed we are going to have a defensive coach, might as well get a great one.

AND he speaks FRENCH. You know, the number requirement for which Carbo was hired in the first place.

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Thats why Souary is over rated , h is not a puck mover but a McCabe power play specialist, 5/5 he is terrible.
Which is why he needs to be dealt for some assets and Markov needs to be signed, IMO.

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Our coach is horrible. Thats teh only reason I can see. Yes the players are responsible as well, but I have never seen such nonsense. Even Therrien maintained calm during his injury plagued years as our coach. Carbonneau hasn't had the same level of injuries.
Um......O.K. If you recall it was Therrien's losing his cool that cost us the series against Carolina in '02. Therrien wasn't one to remain calm.

Also you talk about bringing Burns back (and I was always a fan of Burns), but he was the least calm coach Montreal has probable EVER had!!

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Um......O.K. If you recall it was Therrien's losing his cool that cost us the series against Carolina in '02. Therrien wasn't one to remain calm.

Also you talk about bringing Burns back (and I was always a fan of Burns), but he was the least calm coach Montreal has probable EVER had!!
I completely agree although I don't see that Burns would be an upgrade right now. And it would show that the Montreal Canadiens aren't willing to give anyone a chance. I think that we have to give Carbo at least one more year.

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I completely agree although I don't see that Burns would be an upgrade right now. And it would show that the Montreal Canadiens aren't willing to give anyone a chance. I think that we have to give Carbo at least one more year.
Agreed. Carbo isn't going anywhere for at least another year (I would say at least a couple years). Gainey I'm sure isn't even thinking about making any sort of coaching change.

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I think that originally the slump all began with the stomach flu debacle earlier in the season, which to me was the last time all 4 lines played with a lot of fire. After that Chris Higgins' injury just added to the difficulties as he was our main PP and SH scorer and our go-to guys in most situations.
Wasn't Higgins already back from his injury when the team had the flu bug?

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