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Should Marc Bergevin pull a Lou Lamoriello?

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03-13-2014, 02:51 PM
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You can cherry pick out any team's 10 best games and their record looks worse...big deal.
Not every team in the league has had a 9 game winning streak, so no it wouldn't really be amounting to the same thing nor would it have the same significance. On the aggregate the Canadiens have been playing .500 hockey for 85% of the season.

You want to see consistency in a record and what is consistent is the fact that the Canadiens have played mostly .500 hockey.

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03-13-2014, 02:56 PM
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For everyone who wants Boucher or any coach for that matter, McGuire was on 590 after Boucher signed his contract in Switzerlad. He said something along the lines that Boucher knew there wouldn't be a coaching change this year and that was one of the reasons why he wwent to Switzerland. Also McGuire said he gave Guy some tips on how to structure his contract for the out clause in case he did get an offer from the NHL.

He sounded like he was sure the habs were going to stick with MT for the rest of the year as did Boucher. So take this 2nd hand account account of conjecture as you will but it seems like we're stuck with numbnuts for the forseeable future.

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03-13-2014, 02:57 PM
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You can cherry pick out any team's 10 best games and their record looks worse...big deal.
It's not cherry picking when the team is in the stretch run and may not have enough time to ensure a playoff berth. Their best hope seems to be the possibility that the teams behind them will also collapse and forget how to score.

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03-13-2014, 03:05 PM
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03-13-2014, 03:12 PM
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Bergevin should get Subban signed...NOW,he signs Emelin for 4 years but the norris trophy winner nothing.

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03-13-2014, 03:18 PM
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It's not cherry picking when the team is in the stretch run and may not have enough time to ensure a playoff berth. Their best hope seems to be the possibility that the teams behind them will also collapse and forget how to score.
They are 6 points up with 15 games left and need 5 teams to pass them, hardly a panic situation. You make us sound like the Senators.

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03-13-2014, 03:28 PM
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You can cherry pick out any team's 10 best games and their record looks worse...big deal.
It's not cherry picking their best 10 games. Our best 10 games didn't even all happen during that stretch. We're not grabbing 2 games from October, 4 from November and then 2 in Jan, 2 in Feb.
It's ONE hot streak that clearly skewed the data. Stop being so dishonest.
We've been a .500 team for the vast majority of the season.

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03-13-2014, 03:30 PM
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MB and Therrien are BFF's it won't happen. It should though.

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03-13-2014, 03:30 PM
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For everyone who wants Boucher or any coach for that matter, McGuire was on 590 after Boucher signed his contract in Switzerlad. He said something along the lines that Boucher knew there wouldn't be a coaching change this year and that was one of the reasons why he wwent to Switzerland. Also McGuire said he gave Guy some tips on how to structure his contract for the out clause in case he did get an offer from the NHL.

He sounded like he was sure the habs were going to stick with MT for the rest of the year as did Boucher. So take this 2nd hand account account of conjecture as you will but it seems like we're stuck with numbnuts for the forseeable future.
I don't think we're going to change coaches this year. There's no way Bergevin was going to fire Therrien after last year. If Therrien doesn't steer the ship back in the right direction (and I do mean Therrien, not Price), and we lose in the POs early, he'll be on the hot seat imo. Likely still be here to start next season, but if things don't start well, he'll be gone at some point next season.

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03-13-2014, 03:30 PM
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Lou Lamoriello fired Claude Julien 3 games before the playoffs back in 2007.

I think Marc Bergevin should do the same thing.
Well, how many games left in the season? 15? He should do better than Lou and fire Therrien with 15 games left, of course. But we know he won't. He's given his vote of confidence, and Therrien is going to finish out the season even if the team goes 0-15 and is out-scored 75-0.

I don't even think about a change this season anymore. I'm just scared for next season.

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03-13-2014, 03:41 PM
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It's not cherry picking their best 10 games. Our best 10 games didn't even all happen during that stretch. We're not grabbing 2 games from October, 4 from November and then 2 in Jan, 2 in Feb.
It's ONE hot streak that clearly skewed the data. Stop being so dishonest.
We've been a .500 team for the vast majority of the season.
They also had a stretch where they only won 2 of 9 games. So if you take that out they are on pace for like 105 points.

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03-13-2014, 03:46 PM
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They are 6 points up with 15 games left and need 5 teams to pass them, hardly a panic situation. You make us sound like the Senators.
They need only 3 team to pass them. We are 3rd in the atlantic. If TB pass us (2 points behind with 2 games in hand), we fall to 1st wild card spot. Then, we need two of the rest to pass us and we're out. We have a 4 pts (Phi) and 6 pts (Det) advantage, but they both have 2 games in hand. We are really close to be out of the playoffs.

Not couting NJ who are at 6 pts with 1 game in hand.

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03-13-2014, 03:50 PM
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Bergevin won't fire him. He'll defend him, saying Price is injured.

This team is getting exposed without their best goalie. Actually, they were already getting outplayed most nights. Now, without Price, being outplayed transfers into way more goals.

If anything, Price skews the record way more than that 10 game stretch. Put an average starter in there and I'm not sure the Habs would even be fighting for a playoff spot.

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Should he be fired?


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03-13-2014, 03:55 PM
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While I agree that Therrien is a problem, I'm not convinced Boucher is the solution.

I am in the camp that feels the team wins in spite of Therrien instead of because of him.

What am I most in favor of? A coaching staff that includes Larry Robinson (in ANY capacity).
Larry said he's not going to be a HC again ( mabey it will change) and with the history he has here, if hes an assistant the press are going to use his popularity to undermine whoever he has to answer to.

Torts is likely going to be free soon, that would be like watching the train on the tracks with no breaks approaching the washed out bridge. it wouldnt last long, but for as long as its going it would likely be the most entertaining thing going.

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It would probably be a huge boost to the team heading into the playoffs, where they'll likely play Toronto in the opening round and would need whatever boost they need.

It won't happen though. We're stuck with Therrien through the playoffs, however long that is.

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MB has the balls to fix the coaching issues?

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They need only 3 team to pass them. We are 3rd in the atlantic. If TB pass us (2 points behind with 2 games in hand), we fall to 1st wild card spot. Then, we need two of the rest to pass us and we're out. We have a 4 pts (Phi) and 6 pts (Det) advantage, but they both have 2 games in hand. We are really close to be out of the playoffs.

Not couting NJ who are at 6 pts with 1 game in hand.
6 points back and needing 5 teams to pass you is not close with 15 games left.

It's not 3 teams because a lot of teams in the list if they get hot they will end up in the Metro top 3 and not the 2 wild cards. The only Atlantic team that can jump in is Detroit. Buffalo Ottawa(pretty much)and Florida are done. Even if 2-3 Metro teams get hot they will join their "top 3" as most of the Metro is behind Boston TB Toronto and Montreal.

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You can cherry pick out any team's 10 best games and their record looks worse...big deal.
Us: "The team has had a .500 record for over 85% of the season"

You: "Cherry picking only the .500 games!!!!"

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I used to want Boucher to coach this team but right now I have to say if they made the change it would make very little difference. Boucher is a defence first or trap guy and the on ice product would look pretty much the same as now.


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Bergevin should get Subban signed...NOW,he signs Emelin for 4 years but the norris trophy winner nothing.
how do you know its not Subban who is stalling and waiting for summer to have even more leverage?


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6 points back and needing 5 teams to pass you is not close with 15 games left.
Well, the team is 8-5-2 in their last 15, though they are 1-4-0 in their last 5 with only 8 goals scored.

The team will have to get at least the same record to make the playoffs.

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No, fire him after the team collapses in the playoffs for the second straight year

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I added a poll.

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Missed a chance last summer to be proactive and hire Alain Vigneault, now the only option is to be reactive and limit the damage... how could it get worse?

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6 points back and needing 5 teams to pass you is not close with 15 games left.

It's not 3 teams because a lot of teams in the list if they get hot they will end up in the Metro top 3 and not the 2 wild cards. The only Atlantic team that can jump in is Detroit. Buffalo Ottawa(pretty much)and Florida are done. Even if 2-3 Metro teams get hot they will join their "top 3" as most of the Metro is behind Boston TB Toronto and Montreal.
Every close competitor has 1-2 games in hand. If they go .500 during those games, they are at:
TB: 77 pts
NYR:75pts
CBJ: 75 pts
Phi: 75 pts
Det: 73 pts

TB only needs to get 1 points more than us in 15 games. NYR,CBJ and Phi need only 3 points and Detroit 5 pts. And this is assuming they don't win all their games in hand.

Even the Devils and the Sens can catch us if the habs continue playing like they did the last 3 games. Especially if Bouillon plays 24 mins a game.

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