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03-14-2014, 10:05 PM
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Geez has the perception of Schultz dropped lately.

I remember Stauffer was saying we might be paying him 5M near the beginning of the season.

As a guy who looks like he's career potential (if we are lucky) is Lubomir Visnovsky, I think a 2 year deal at around 2.25M or maybe 2.5M cap hit looks to be our best option.

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03-14-2014, 10:40 PM
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Geez has the perception of Schultz dropped lately.

I remember Stauffer was saying we might be paying him 5M near the beginning of the season.

As a guy who looks like he's career potential (if we are lucky) is Lubomir Visnovsky, I think a 2 year deal at around 2.25M or maybe 2.5M cap hit looks to be our best option.
I think he reminds me of Keith Yandle. Let's not forget this is his 2nd year pro. Bridge contract for 2 years would me my route. 5.5 million for two seasons tops.

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Hows 6m over 6 years sound? We want to think long term guys cause you see in year 4 he will be worth 8 million so we are actually saving money.

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I earlier thought signing him long term at good term was they way to go, but how I look at it now how could we possibly pay him more than Shattenkirk's contract .which is 4 years 4.25 mil per.

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03-14-2014, 11:38 PM
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Look at how WSH is getting it done..

Alzner: 2.8M x 4
Carlson: 3.9M x 5
Orlov : 2M x 2


Anything over 3M will be overpayment for J.Schultz.. 4M should be the max for him if he signs a 5yr deal ala Carlson. J.Schultz might be a #6 Dman for us next season onwards if MacT can get us a couple good Dmen or if we draft Ekblad.

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03-14-2014, 11:54 PM
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I think he reminds me of Keith Yandle. Let's not forget this is his 2nd year pro. Bridge contract for 2 years would me my route. 5.5 million for two seasons tops.
Keith Yandle is a machine who has a laser of a slap shot which always finds the back of the net against us, Schultz wishes he had that shot. To me J.Schultz looks like Gilbert Ver 2.0. I give him 3M-4M tops closer to 4M on a longer term deal and closer to 3 on a short term deal.

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I think he reminds me of Keith Yandle. Let's not forget this is his 2nd year pro. Bridge contract for 2 years would me my route. 5.5 million for two seasons tops.
For a bridge, unless you mean 2.75 per year, 5.5 for each year, 2x...isn't that a bit high?

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03-15-2014, 01:44 PM
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Bridge contract.

If they don't regret not doing one with eberle, they should.

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Bridge contract.

If they don't regret not doing one with eberle, they should.
umm why? He may very well score 30 this year, which is worth 6 million, and he's not even in his prime yet. By the middle of that contract Eberle be a steal.

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Bridge deal for sure. 2 years/3 to 3.5 cap hit. Also need to teach him what a slap shot is.

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Bridge contract.

If they don't regret not doing one with eberle, they should.
Sould have done bridge contracts with all of them..... Not one of those big deals has panned out, as all the "young guns" are on full cruise control mode now.... If that doesn't lend the team to bridge Shultz, and he gets big money, he'll join the floaters club.

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umm why? He may very well score 30 this year, which is worth 6 million, and he's not even in his prime yet. By the middle of that contract Eberle be a steal.
If there's a player that has racked up that many goals doing less than Eberle, I'd like to see him... He's great at scoring while also barely contributing. He's probably great at flipping past the NHL standings to see the team scoring leaders.

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Wait, why would we pay him anything over 3M per season?

Subban bridge cap hit: 2.875
Del Zotto bridge cap hit: 2.55

and both have stats that rival or definitely increase on Schultz.

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Wait, why would we pay him anything over 3M per season?

Subban bridge cap hit: 2.875
Del Zotto bridge cap hit: 2.55

and both have stats that rival or definitely increase on Schultz.
Finally someone is making some sense... Schultz couldn't carry those two guys jockstraps, even comparing the contract years. Honestly as a bridge Schultz should be getting no more than 2 mill... Earn it unlike the other chosen ones who were long termed. If he proves himself, the Oil or someone else will give him a huge payday... Start with some smarter play and learn to bodycheck.

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I'd rather wait till after the draft and the UFA signing period to get him locked up, if we draft Ekblad I'd rather just trade him and sign a veteran D, running a line-up of Petry, Schultz, and Ekblad down our right side is a disaster, we need more veteran presence then that.

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03-16-2014, 06:20 AM
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Sould have done bridge contracts with all of them..... Not one of those big deals has panned out, as all the "young guns" are on full cruise control mode now.... If that doesn't lend the team to bridge Shultz, and he gets big money, he'll join the floaters club.
seriously? a 22 yr old taylor hall who has scored over a point per game the past 100+ games isn't worth his money? guaranteed if the oilers had given him a bridge contract, by the time that contract was up he'd commanding between 7.5 to 8 mill a season. but as it sits they have him locked up until hes 27 years old i believe at 6 mil a year, which as it sits right now is market value for a player of his calibur. in 2-3 years from now that contract will be an absolute steal. it's amazing how clouded some people can become on individual players because of overall team suckage.

shultz at 3.5 a year for 4 years would be an acceptable deal i would think. i would possibly go up to 4 mil, but would not overly happy about doing so.

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03-16-2014, 06:48 AM
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Why don't consider bridge contract for two years for 3.75 M/year. After that he is still RFA and we can try to extend him long term

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03-16-2014, 09:19 AM
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seriously? a 22 yr old taylor hall who has scored over a point per game the past 100+ games isn't worth his money? guaranteed if the oilers had given him a bridge contract, by the time that contract was up he'd commanding between 7.5 to 8 mill a season. but as it sits they have him locked up until hes 27 years old i believe at 6 mil a year, which as it sits right now is market value for a player of his calibur. in 2-3 years from now that contract will be an absolute steal. it's amazing how clouded some people can become on individual players because of overall team suckage.

shultz at 3.5 a year for 4 years would be an acceptable deal i would think. i would possibly go up to 4 mil, but would not overly happy about doing so.
Yes, seriously... These young guys have a serious case of "I'm paid" going on right now, and as such, the effort level has dropped off. Hall too - sure he has points, but his game hasn't improved either.... Too much guaranteed cash too early for all these guys is the big problem... Overall team suckage as you put it is also a big factor, but these young guys have to shoulder the load and step up. They haven't. Why should they now?

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Keith Yandle is a machine who has a laser of a slap shot which always finds the back of the net against us, Schultz wishes he had that shot. To me J.Schultz looks like Gilbert Ver 2.0. I give him 3M-4M tops closer to 4M on a longer term deal and closer to 3 on a short term deal.
I am with you - J Schultz = Tom Gilbert

I dont know why the Oilers fall in love with this type of player

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I think fans forget though that in Gilbert's last season here, he actually looked quite decent defensively before he was dealt for Nick "Awful" Schultz.

My problem with Justin Schultz is he's a 3rd pairing PP specialist right now with room for more, yet is playing top 2 minutes, which is a joke.

The guy definitely doesn't deserve anything over 2.5M. He just doesn't. I don't see how you can justify that he's better than Subban or Del Zotto at the time of their bridge deals. The potential is there for more, but we should pay him based on what we've seen. I wonder if Buffalo really believes Tyler Myers, for example, is worth 5.5M a season.

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03-16-2014, 05:05 PM
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Gilbert was a much better Dman than J.Schultz is now. He was ragged on too much because he was a good 2nd pairing DMan being forced to play #1 minutes. Schultz is slowly turning into a decent 2nd pairing guy now.

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03-16-2014, 10:34 PM
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Gilbert was a much better Dman than J.Schultz is now. He was ragged on too much because he was a good 2nd pairing DMan being forced to play #1 minutes. Schultz is slowly turning into a decent 2nd pairing guy now.
The scary part is Gilberts 1st season was his best with us IMO. And he came in at 23 IIRC, not much older then Schultz right now, if he even was older. Gilbert also had a bigger body and was able to somewhat handle the forwards in front of the net even though he wasn't overly physical.

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If any of them get a bridge contract it's Schultz.. I'd look at 2 years, 2.5-3M per ish.
Under no circumstance do you front end him anything. He's going to be considerably lower than people might think. Between $1.25 and $1.75 is what he's going to get. Any more would be to much. He's going to be right with the Smith and Gardiner types and below Dekeyser.

He's not even at .5 per game at the only thing he's bringing to the table. It'll be interesting. I think Gardiner has passed him as an overall player, which isn't funny. Smith has been very good all around for months now. All three still make costly mistakes though. I'd actually wait to see what Dekeyser gets and he should slot under that.

The latter should be the measuring stick. Both with some fanfare. One guy has been nothing more than great and I'm guessing he'll come in right under $2 million. So tops, somewhere around $1.75 on a two year deal.

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03-16-2014, 11:58 PM
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I think fans forget though that in Gilbert's last season here, he actually looked quite decent defensively before he was dealt for Nick "Awful" Schultz.

My problem with Justin Schultz is he's a 3rd pairing PP specialist right now with room for more, yet is playing top 2 minutes, which is a joke.

The guy definitely doesn't deserve anything over 2.5M. He just doesn't. I don't see how you can justify that he's better than Subban or Del Zotto at the time of their bridge deals. The potential is there for more, but we should pay him based on what we've seen. I wonder if Buffalo really believes Tyler Myers, for example, is worth 5.5M a season.
Gilbert was definitely not great in his last year as an Oiler. Sure, he started out great and we were all happy, but he eventually regressed to his former self.

Imo the only problem with Schultz is that he doesn't have anyone to play with. The ideal setup would be to have someone like Petry with him, but unfortunately they play the same side. (btw it was statistically proven that Petry made Smid look good, and is helping with Marincin's numbers as well).

So Schultz gets to play with Ference often, who is not a top 4 Dman, and Nick Schultz of course (nuff said). In a vain effort to give Justin a partner he can skate with, we've paired him with Larsen, a fringe NHLer at best.

Schultz is still very young for a Dman. He's not experienced enough to be a mentor for Klefbom or Marincin. He's a lot more than just points too. He's a very good transitional D, a type of Dman that is at a premium in the league right now.

To me it is very obvious that Schultz will improve a lot as he approaches his prime. He's very intelligent and skilled. At a bridge deal I agree that he should get less than Subban, but if we want to save money later on it would be wise to sign him longer. Considering how he dominates TOI numbers, I think management and coaching feel this way too.

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Schultz is fine, he just plays way too much. I still think he turns into one of the elite offensive defencemen in the game. A defensive stalwart for a partner would do wonders for Schultz's game. He'd look fantastic with a legit number one guy for a partner.

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