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Bernier vs. Varlamov

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Bernier 27 29.03%
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03-16-2014, 10:50 PM
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Bernier vs. Varlamov

Two goalies having great years both playing behind questionable defensemen. Who would you take going forward all things considered?

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03-16-2014, 10:59 PM
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03-16-2014, 10:59 PM
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Semyon Varlamov.

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03-16-2014, 11:00 PM
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I have no problem if people think that Varlamov is better, but nobody should be pretending like this isn't close. It definitely is.

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03-17-2014, 01:09 AM
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Bernier is really good, but Varlamov should stomp on him in this thread.

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03-17-2014, 01:32 AM
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I have no problem if people think that Varlamov is better, but nobody should be pretending like this isn't close. It definitely is.
No one has yet said otherwise.
Stop being defensive.

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03-17-2014, 01:38 AM
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Two goalies having great years both playing behind questionable defensemen. Who would you take going forward all things considered?

Is this a joke?

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03-17-2014, 08:26 AM
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i'd like to point out that both are 925 save% but bernier has worse d and faces more shots.

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I have no problem if people think that Varlamov is better, but nobody should be pretending like this isn't close. It definitely is.
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No one has yet said otherwise.
Stop being defensive.
I think he was reading my mind though...

Varlamov, but I have not seen Bernier play enough to make a non-homer vote

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i'd like to point out that both are 925 save% but bernier has worse d and faces more shots.
Shot differential is almost nothing.

Worst D core is arguable. That said, I know Varly plays behind a better coach, which helps his game play and confidence

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03-17-2014, 10:03 AM
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i'd like to point out that both are 925 save% but bernier has worse d and faces more shots.
According to Leafs fans Phaneuf's is clearly better than EJ, Gunarsson is better than Hejda, Gardiner is good, Rielly is playing well etc, but now they're a group worse than the Avs one? Make up your mind people and stop twisting the ''facts'' to better suit your argument.

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I've only seen Varlamov play so……… I had to vote Varly.

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03-17-2014, 10:29 AM
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i'd like to point out that both are 925 save% but bernier has worse d and faces more shots.
Worse D core? You sure about that? I've been told multiple times just how much better Phaneuf is than EJ(Not even close according to some Leaf fans, citing Norris voting as proof) how solid Gunnarsson is, what a fantastic young defensman Gardiner is, and in the trade rumors part of the board Franson is a great physical offensive defensman according to Leaf fans.


The only way the Avs defense is better than the Leafs is if you say EJ>Phaneuf, Hejda>Gunnarsson, and Barrie>Gardiner. Even then, we've still got Benoit, Holden, Guenin, and Sarich. Do the Leafs truly have worse than that?



It's amazing how you twist facts to suit yourself.

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Before you guys all roast racecar alive, I think he might have meant team defense overall.

Leafs have a better group of defensemen, but the overall team defense is very poor. The forwards don't support the defensemen at all and we have some pretty stupid defensive players up front. This is where the Avs are strong, they have one of the best 2-way forward groups in the NHL, and the team has committed to a style that works very well for them, limiting high quality scoring chances against.

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03-17-2014, 11:14 AM
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I'd take Varly, I think it's close though

Leafs fans claiming their D is worse is funny.

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03-17-2014, 11:27 AM
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Worse D core? You sure about that? I've been told multiple times just how much better Phaneuf is than EJ(Not even close according to some Leaf fans, citing Norris voting as proof) how solid Gunnarsson is, what a fantastic young defensman Gardiner is, and in the trade rumors part of the board Franson is a great physical offensive defensman according to Leaf fans.


The only way the Avs defense is better than the Leafs is if you say EJ>Phaneuf, Hejda>Gunnarsson, and Barrie>Gardiner. Even then, we've still got Benoit, Holden, Guenin, and Sarich. Do the Leafs truly have worse than that?



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According to Leafs fans Phaneuf's is clearly better than EJ, Gunarsson is better than Hejda, Gardiner is good, Rielly is playing well etc, but now they're a group worse than the Avs one? Make up your mind people and stop twisting the ''facts'' to better suit your argument.
Phaneuf and Gunnarsson are clearly better than EJ and Hejda. However, the rest of the Leafs D is among the worst in the league... Gleason has been alright, but Gardiner, Rielly, and Franson are terrible defensively. Especially Franson, they guy is prone to one giveaway resulting in a goal a game. Literally he is on the ice almost every goal against. Ranger and Fraser were even worse than the guys noted earlier in the season but now Frasers gone and Ranger has done a complete 180. The top pairing is great, the defensive depth is brutal. Its pretty evident by the large discrepancy between +/- of Phaneuf and Gunnarsson and the rest of the team.

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Phaneuf and Gunnarsson are clearly better than EJ and Hejda. However, the rest of the Leafs D is among the worst in the league... Gleason has been alright, but Gardiner, Rielly, and Franson are terrible defensively. Especially Franson, they guy is prone to one giveaway resulting in a goal a game. Literally he is on the ice almost every goal against. Ranger and Fraser were even worse than the guys noted earlier in the season but now Frasers gone and Ranger has done a complete 180. The top pairing is great, the defensive depth is brutal. Its pretty evident by the large discrepancy between +/- of Phaneuf and Gunnarsson and the rest of the team.
I guess that Barrie, Benoit, Guenin, Holden, Sarich, Wilson are all defensive stalwarts.

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Just look at their names. Semyon is so much cooler than Jonathan.

Seriously Varlamov has impressed me quite a bit more. Bob and him are so much fun to watch.

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Phaneuf and Gunnarsson are clearly better than EJ and Hejda. However, the rest of the Leafs D is among the worst in the league... Gleason has been alright, but Gardiner, Rielly, and Franson are terrible defensively. Especially Franson, they guy is prone to one giveaway resulting in a goal a game. Literally he is on the ice almost every goal against. Ranger and Fraser were even worse than the guys noted earlier in the season but now Frasers gone and Ranger has done a complete 180. The top pairing is great, the defensive depth is brutal. Its pretty evident by the large discrepancy between +/- of Phaneuf and Gunnarsson and the rest of the team.
I think this is a sane estimation of the Leafs defense, for sure. But there are additional factors that contribute to our goalie's woes that judging from Colorado's success, the Avalanche don't have to worry about or, at least not as much. Our forwards collectively do not help out anywhere near as much as they should. The defensive mistakes and oversights and lapses in judgment by this group collectively make it far more difficult for everybody else to do their job. Kulemin, Bozak and, usually, McClement are very responsible, but you never know what you are going to get from the rest of them on a night to night basis. And Carlyle has to come in for a mention, too. Whether he has speeded up or slowed down Rielly and Gardiner's progress is open to question, and he continues to put Franson, basically a power-play specialist, out there in all sorts of situations that clearly are beyond the player's competency. Yes, the Avalanche defensive corps may be worse than the Leafs defensive corps, but in terms of team defense, you obviously trump us all to hell.

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Worse D core? You sure about that? I've been told multiple times just how much better Phaneuf is than EJ(Not even close according to some Leaf fans, citing Norris voting as proof) how solid Gunnarsson is, what a fantastic young defensman Gardiner is, and in the trade rumors part of the board Franson is a great physical offensive defensman according to Leaf fans.


The only way the Avs defense is better than the Leafs is if you say EJ>Phaneuf, Hejda>Gunnarsson, and Barrie>Gardiner. Even then, we've still got Benoit, Holden, Guenin, and Sarich. Do the Leafs truly have worse than that?



It's amazing how you twist facts to suit yourself.
Its a system thing.

Its more about the team defense over the actual defensive core.

Your team defense >>>> Leafs. Our team looks good on paper, but just isn't getting it done defensively.

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We don't have strong defensive forwards like the Avs do. ROR, Landeskog, Duchene, Stastny.. Most of our forwards are pretty bad in their own end. Can't get the puck out/don't support Leaf dmen

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Gimme varlamov. He is very fun to watch and is a great goalie

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