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Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXII: To Smurf or not to Smurf

View Poll Results: What would you have done?
traded Callahan and picks for MSL 62 46.62%
re-signed Callahan 8 6.02%
traded Callahan for a small package (pick or prospect) 63 47.37%
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03-17-2014, 09:46 AM
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Goaltenders, especially ones like Talbot, who is going to be 26, won't get much of a return. Just because a half a dozen teams don't have good goaltenders doesn't mean that Talbot will fetch anything.

Anaheim will move Hiller in the near future. There are many teams that need a goalie, but they need a proven goalie.

Keep Cam, he is worth more here than he'd get in a trade. He's won us double digit games this year. We aren't sniffing the playoffs if Biron didn't get waived.

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Tank for 2015 #1 pick. Only way this team will have guaranteed success.
We have no 2015 1st rounder.

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Canadian dollar has tanked, cap wont be rising to 71 mill
That is the problem with a lot of the contract speculation. People justify handing out asinine contracts on the speculation of a rising cap. We saw it every day with some folks justifying giving Callahan 7 million because the cap *could* be 85 million in 4 years. I also could win Powerball this week. Doesn't mean I should spend money that I don't have.

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Canadian dollar has tanked, cap wont be rising to 71 mill
Quotes from the GM meetings said that it should be within $1-2M of that number.

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No sense in moving Talbot. He's not going to demand a huge raise and he is a great fit here.

Frankly, I see this team going through a another pretty big overhaul this summer.

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03-17-2014, 10:11 AM
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Tank for 2015 #1 pick. Only way this team will have guaranteed success.
Really? 4 straight top 2 picks and where is Edmonton at?

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Really? 4 straight top 2 picks and where is Edmonton at?
Where are Pittsburgh and Chicago at?

High picks aren't a guarantee, but let's not act as if teams can't seriously benefit from them. Just because Edmonton is a side-show it doesn't mean they're the example.

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Where are Pittsburgh and Chicago at?

High picks aren't a guarantee, but let's not act as if teams can't seriously benefit from them. Just because Edmonton is a side-show it doesn't mean they're the example.
The post he was responding to disagrees:

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Really? 4 straight top 2 picks and where is Edmonton at?
There's also a difference between a Crosby and any of the 4 EDM got, and it seems that 2015 will have 1 or 2 "destined" to be like the former. I know it's all speculation at this point, but some drafts are better to pick #1 than others.

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Where are Pittsburgh and Chicago at?

High picks aren't a guarantee, but let's not act as if teams can't seriously benefit from them. Just because Edmonton is a side-show it doesn't mean they're the example.
How about Florida with Barkov and Gudbranson? Two top 3 picks. They should be kicking ass. Ovechkin sure has carried the Capitals to a cup by now . A #1 overall pick is zero guarantee. I agree on Pittsburgh in Chicago but to act like getting a #1 pick (or that we would get one any time soon) would solve all of our problems is just fantasy. Lets not act as if they are a magical cure either?

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There's also a difference between a Crosby and any of the 4 EDM got, and it seems that 2015 will have 1 or 2 "destined" to be like the former. I know it's all speculation at this point, but some drafts are better to pick #1 than others.
Every year the #1 overall pick comparisons are made to Crosby. We don't have a 2015 1st. We would have to wait for 2016. Lundqvist is 34/35 at that time. Lets waste one of his last few good prime years tanking for a pick. When that #1 pick pans out we no longer have an elite goaltender. Is the solution to tank for more high picks?

We will have our #1 picks in 4 years. Nash will be gone. Lundqvist will be 36/37. Girardi will have 1 year left. MSL will have retired. Stepan will be a FA. At that point it will be time for a rebuild. Clamoring for it now while we still have a competitive team is fantasy.

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Every year the #1 overall pick comparisons are made to Crosby. We don't have a 2015 1st. We would have to wait for 2016. Lundqvist is 34/35 at that time. Lets waste one of his last few good prime years tanking for a pick. When that #1 pick pans out we no longer have an elite goaltender. Is the solution to tank for more high picks?

We will have our #1 picks in 4 years. Nash will be gone. Lundqvist will be 36/37. Girardi will have 1 year left. MSL will have retired. Stepan will be a FA. At that point it will be time for a rebuild. Clamoring for it now while we still have a competitive team is fantasy.
Or we could just do an accelerated rebuild now.

This team is going nowhere next year. And they sure aren't going anywhere this year.

I'm shocked people actually still believe they can. This was clear as day before the MSL trade and it's just as clear now.

As the minority has voiced, trading for MSL will nto put us over the top. And will prove to be yet another big mistake on the resume that Sather will never again have to shop.

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As the minority has voiced, trading for MSL will nto put us over the top. And will prove to be yet another big mistake on the resume that Sather will never again have to shop.
The majority was against the deal.

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How about Florida with Barkov and Gudbranson? Two top 3 picks. They should be kicking ass. Ovechkin sure has carried the Capitals to a cup by now . A #1 overall pick is zero guarantee. I agree on Pittsburgh in Chicago but to act like getting a #1 pick (or that we would get one any time soon) would solve all of our problems is just fantasy. Lets not act as if they are a magical cure either?
The thing is, we have a good supporting cast. Adding a #1C, or elite player like Ovy, would do huge things for this franchise.

Washington has been way more successful then they were prior to Ovy being there.

Edmonton is an outlier.

Are you realyl judging Florida on this year? They will be better then us in the near future, possibly next year. The young prospects on that team are dirty. Huberdeau is like third on the depth chart now and that kid would be our #1 prospect by a mile.

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Really? 4 straight top 2 picks and where is Edmonton at?
I'd love to see the Oilers as they are now, with McD, Staal and Girardi.

we're singing a different tune here.

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The majority was against the deal.
The poll in here alone says differently. As did the million threads leading up to that.

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Team played a good game yesterday against one of the top teams in the west. Next day people here are talking about tanking and what not. Only in NY.

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Team played a good game yesterday against one of the top teams in the west. Next day people here are talking about tanking and what not. Only in NY.
Just like they played a good game against Boston too, right?

Playing a good first period is not a good game.

They played a good 20 minutes and par for the course, couldn't finish.

When will people realize, a good game doesn't mean getting 20 shots and no goals.

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Just like they played a good game against Boston too, right?

Playing a good first period is not a good game.

They played a good 20 minutes and par for the course, couldn't finish.

When will people realize, a good game doesn't mean getting 20 shots and no goals.
Did I base my thoughts on the shot totals? No I did not. Did I say they played amazing? Flawless? No I did not say that either.

They lost 1-0 to a very good Sharks team. They had chances to win that game. They did not finish. But they still had chances against a solid team and kept the score to 1-0. That is a good game whether you want to believe it or not. You can be negative and pessimistic all you want.

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How about Florida with Barkov and Gudbranson? Two top 3 picks. They should be kicking ass. Ovechkin sure has carried the Capitals to a cup by now . A #1 overall pick is zero guarantee. I agree on Pittsburgh in Chicago but to act like getting a #1 pick (or that we would get one any time soon) would solve all of our problems is just fantasy. Lets not act as if they are a magical cure either?
Barkov was drafted 10 months ago and has done very well. Gudbranson has battled injuries and was mishandled by the Panthers. Huberdeau won the Calder and has had a typical sophomore slump this year.

You can't draft elite players and then not build around them. That's why Edmonton has failed, and that's why Chicago has prospered. People around here love to poo-poo draft picks, but then they ***** and moan when the Rangers sign free-agent busts or are forced to trade pieces from the roster in order to add talent to the team.

I never said they were a magical cure. I'm simply pointing out that it's foolish to counter "draft picks!" with "lol, Edmonton!"

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The poll in here alone says differently. As did the million threads leading up to that.
The poll isn't a good representation here. If those were the 3 options, I would rather have kept him and risked losing him for nothing. Also, we don't know what the other offers were. How many people are there in here who didn't vote because of the poll options like me?

I was active in and read those threads. That wasn't the impression I got. Most knew he would cost too much to be worth it.

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The thing is, we have a good supporting cast. Adding a #1C, or elite player like Ovy, would do huge things for this franchise.

Washington has been way more successful then they were prior to Ovy being there.

Edmonton is an outlier.

Are you realyl judging Florida on this year? They will be better then us in the near future, possibly next year. The young prospects on that team are dirty. Huberdeau is like third on the depth chart now and that kid would be our #1 prospect by a mile.
No. They have been terrible for a long time. Maybe next year is the year they finally turn it around but I won't hold my breath.

And you are correct. We have a great supporting cast. That is the reason we won't see a #1 pick.

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I'd love to see the Oilers as they are now, with McD, Staal and Girardi.

we're singing a different tune here.
My point exactly. As long as we have players like this we do not have a chance of obtaining a #1 overall or close to it. The talk of a #1 pick at this juncture is fantasy.

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Big deal the Rangers played a good game yesterday. They lost to Carolina last week. They blew so many points in the 21 home games in 9 weeks. They have 13 games left. Philly and Columbus are ahead of them with more games left. They have put themselves in a very tough spot.

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Barkov was drafted 10 months ago and has done very well. Gudbranson has battled injuries and was mishandled by the Panthers. Huberdeau won the Calder and has had a typical sophomore slump this year.

You can't draft elite players and then not build around them. That's why Edmonton has failed, and that's why Chicago has prospered. People around here love to poo-poo draft picks, but then they ***** and moan when the Rangers sign free-agent busts or are forced to trade pieces from the roster in order to add talent to the team.

I never said they were a magical cure. I'm simply pointing out that it's foolish to counter "draft picks!" with "lol, Edmonton!"
It sure does sound foolish when you put it like that. You have a unique way of twisting posters words. He said a #1 pick guarantees success. Tell me how my response was wrong?

I agree with your premise on Chicago. The same thing is happening right now in Colorado. The problem is when you have an elite goaltender and a high level supporting cast you do not come close to a #1 overall pick. To then turn around and bank on it being a franchise savior or guarantee success is also foolish. What do all those teams have in common? Multiple top 3 picks. A solid 3-4 year tank job.

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Big deal the Rangers played a good game yesterday. They lost to Carolina last week. They blew so many points in the 21 home games in 9 weeks. They have 13 games left. Philly and Columbus are ahead of them with more games left. They have put themselves in a very tough spot.
They went on a hot streak before the Olympics. People thought this team was "showing it's true colors". I am not sure why everyone jumps on the bandwagon when they have an abberration one way or the other. They are a mediocre team, maybe just good enough to squeak into the playoffs. That';s the facts.

I'm really happy they decided to hold onto all of their UFA's and trade multiple picks (yet again) for another player.

Who needs picks! Just keep the status quo and mediocrity for as long as possible.

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