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03-17-2014, 12:03 PM
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He's on pace for 13 total points.

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03-17-2014, 12:07 PM
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Gomez signed his contract when the cap was half of what it is now...
The 200708 cap was $50,300,000. The cap is $64.4 million this year.

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03-17-2014, 12:09 PM
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Looking at the huge fluctuations that he has season-to-season in terms of goals (9,17, 20g pace, 12, 30, 26g pace, 7g pace ) I'm going to keep the smallest hope that we can consider this season a write off, and he could bounce back next season. However, he's still paid far too much for a probable 15g scorer who fights a lot. He sure as hell better be incredible in the playoffs this year.

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03-17-2014, 12:09 PM
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I am still laughing at the fact that Gomez is even being brought into this discussion.

Gomez had a ridiculous contract that was hard to live up to and fans hated him for that. But his numbers were far from horrible, in fact those first 3 years were solid overall but fans expected the world with that contract.

Clarkson is just putrid and made out like a bandit. Gomez actually produced prior and after his contract signing. Clarkson is in a league all to his own here.

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03-17-2014, 12:10 PM
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Troy Bodie: 34 games, 3G 7A, +5, 24 PIM
David Clarkson: 47 games, 4G 6A, -7. 74 PIM

I think Bodie might be asking for a 6 mil per year contract, Toronto should buy out JVR to fit him under the cap.

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03-17-2014, 12:12 PM
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The 200708 cap was $50,300,000. The cap is $64.4 million this year.
that's the equivalent to a $9.42M AAV in this $64.4M salary cap by the way

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03-17-2014, 12:16 PM
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I am still laughing at the fact that Gomez is even being brought into this discussion.

Gomez had a ridiculous contract that was hard to live up to and fans hated him for that. But his numbers were far from horrible, in fact those first 3 years were solid overall but fans expected the world with that contract.

Clarkson is just putrid and made out like a bandit. Gomez actually produced prior and after his contract signing. Clarkson is in a league all to his own here.
To be fair, the only real parallel OP made to Gomez was that he collapsed under the pressure that came with a big contract and that Clarkson seems to be doing the same, at least this year.

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03-17-2014, 12:16 PM
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the big question....is not that its a bad contract...or a guy underperforming....

its what he will do in the playoffs.....if he can turn it around in the big games then maybe you can overlook the badcontract........he doesnt have to score alot to be huge in palyoffs but has to be a smarter player --less running around

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03-17-2014, 12:23 PM
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its what he will do in the playoffs.....if he can turn it around in the big games then maybe you can overlook the badcontract........he doesnt have to score alot to be huge in palyoffs but has to be a smarter player --less running around
.. his team has to get into the playoffs first. And he's not helping the cause.

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03-17-2014, 12:26 PM
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I'll play devil's advocate for the hell of it.

Clarkson, if he maintains his career average shooting percentage would be on the verge of a 13goal/23pts "82gms season" with ultimately "3rd" unit PP time. He's going to need more PP time to produce offensively, especially if that's what they paid him for (goals). The biggest problem with this signing is that Clarkson isn't a good PP fit. JVR is THE front of the net 1st unit PP guy for the leafs, so only on the 2nd unit Clarkson can and should find his mainstay. 2ndly, he has had a mish mosh of centers this year and leafs center depth is bad. Clarkson's 30goal season was always a mirage, but to say he doesn't have 15-25goal seasons in him in the right role would be false, problem is he's in a terrible fitting situation and aside from major changes on the leafs, you can realistically expect him to be a 12-18goal middle 6 forward w/2nd unit PP time that brings a little grit. If JVR didn't exist and Clarkson was on Kessel's line and top PP unit front of the nit tipper/rebound put awayer/goalie screener, you highly likely would have 20-25goal/yr Clarkson earning his contract, but he just doesn't fit right and shouldn't have JVR's role.

Again, contract still terrible for what you get, but not nearly as terrible as it looks on paper this year.

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03-17-2014, 12:26 PM
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To be fair, the only real parallel OP made to Gomez was that he collapsed under the pressure that came with a big contract and that Clarkson seems to be doing the same, at least this year.
which is exactly my point - how did Gomez collapse? he must have collapsed during his 70 point campaign the year of the signing or the back to back near 60 point campaigns he put up right after.

I wouldnt use the term collapse with Gomez. He didn't collapse anywhere near Clarkson level right after signing that contract. It took a few years before his play went to a Clarkson level and by then a number of factors where at play.

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03-17-2014, 12:32 PM
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which is exactly my point - how did Gomez collapse? he must have collapsed during his 70 point campaign the year of the signing or the back to back near 60 point campaigns he put up right after.

I wouldnt use the term collapse with Gomez. He didn't collapse anywhere near Clarkson level right after signing that contract. It took a few years before his play went to a Clarkson level and by then a number of factors where at play.
I think you're splitting hairs, since the principle is the same. It just took Gomez a few more years. Anyway it wasn't my choice of words, but I think in the context of not living up to a giant contract, they're both looking like the poster boys for it.

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03-17-2014, 01:00 PM
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I think you're splitting hairs, since the principle is the same. It just took Gomez a few more years. Anyway it wasn't my choice of words, but I think in the context of not living up to a giant contract, they're both looking like the poster boys for it.
I again disagree and it isn't close to splitting hairs.

Saying Gomez didn't live up to his contact when he put up close 200 points in his first 3 years is unfair. I think it is impossible for him to have lived up to his contract, but with that line of thinking then you better include Luongo, Yashin (well not anymore!), or anyone with a long term contract as I doubt many of them will ever live up to it.

I don't think Hossa will ever come close to living up to his contract, but I don't really care about 6 years from now, more worried about right now and when the player was in their prime.

Gomez produced and Clarkson hasn't, and yes it is a huge factor as to when the player collapsed as it took Gomez over 4 years to reach the level that Clarkson is currently at. Nowhere near close between the two.

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03-17-2014, 02:46 PM
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03-17-2014, 03:41 PM
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Fun fact: David Clarkson has as many points this season as Dave Bolland (10). Bolland hasn't played a game since Nov. 2nd.

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03-17-2014, 04:01 PM
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I thought Clarkson had been injured since I hadn't noticed him lately, but guess not. That signing is still baffling and will be so until it ends.

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03-17-2014, 04:09 PM
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Didn't the Oilers offered him a 6 mill per, for 7 years contract?
Yah, believe it or not, the Oilers offered more money to Clarkson but (thankfully) he chose to play at home.

Would have been a huge blemish on MacT's resume.

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03-17-2014, 04:22 PM
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Hilarious contract and I'm glad it exists to mock

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03-17-2014, 04:50 PM
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i think all the grinders in the league should have a david clarkson appreciation night, now every single one can use him as a comparable in contract negotiations

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03-17-2014, 06:04 PM
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03-17-2014, 06:21 PM
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I will never understand what so many GMs saw in this guy that there was actually a bidding war.

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I will never understand what so many GMs saw in this guy that there was actually a bidding war.
30 goals. That's so hard to understand?

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03-17-2014, 06:46 PM
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He'll get traded to Edmonton, and as an Edmonton fan I will weep for days.

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30 goals. That's so hard to understand?
Once. And less than 50 points...

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03-17-2014, 09:13 PM
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Fun fact: David Clarkson has as many points this season as Dave Bolland (10). Bolland hasn't played a game since Nov. 2nd.
Also has less goals than Alexandre Burrows, a guy who didn't score until March 12th.

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