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03-17-2014, 07:27 PM
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What about MLB? Or NFL? Are there some Euros?
Baseball isn't really popular anywhere in Europe. Japan and Korea are a different story.

As for football there is rugby in Europe. There are no proper football leagues. Rugby is Europe's football.

So I highly doubt there can be a significant amount of Euros in those sports.

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03-17-2014, 08:45 PM
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Youth baseball and basketball are just now seriously becoming popular in Canada, and basketball in particular is blowing up in Toronto.

The NBA will have a pile of Canadians in five years.

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03-17-2014, 09:01 PM
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Youth baseball and basketball are just now seriously becoming popular in Canada, and basketball in particular is blowing up in Toronto.

The NBA will have a pile of Canadians in five years.
In terms of participation, baseball is actually in a steep decline peaking in the 90's in Canada.

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According to this,



92 / 360 = ~ 25.5% International players.

Pretty sure with the NBA in terms of how they announce things that would include Canada.

Anyway per eliteprospects which has 761 players this season so not the standard 690 most would use.

192 players not born in Canada or the USA are listed.

So 25% and change as well, we do know that all of these would be considered European as well in terms of that discussion.

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Baseball isn't really popular anywhere in Europe. Japan and Korea are a different story.

As for football there is rugby in Europe. There are no proper football leagues. Rugby is Europe's football.

So I highly doubt there can be a significant amount of Euros in those sports.
I don't expect a ton of talent, but there is some popularity with it in Germany, mostly US military kids, but it isn't completely non-existent.


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03-17-2014, 09:37 PM
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In terms of participation, baseball is actually in a steep decline peaking in the 90's in Canada.
Yes, and the swarm of recent Canadian NBA talent (Wiggins, Thompson, Bennett, Olynyk, Stauskas, Joseph, Nicholson) is a reflection of that. It will be nice seeing Canada in the Olympics again in Basketball.

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03-17-2014, 10:06 PM
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In terms of participation, baseball is actually in a steep decline peaking in the 90's in Canada.
While I would agree the numbers are down, we are still seeing a rather large number of college scholarships going to baseball players. Maybe there are more elite players? I would love to see the numbers from the 90's to now. Obviously when the Blue Jays were good there was a huge rise in the game's popularity.

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03-17-2014, 10:06 PM
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Youth baseball and basketball are just now seriously becoming popular in Canada, and basketball in particular is blowing up in Toronto.

The NBA will have a pile of Canadians in five years.
Yup, at the rate that africans/Jamaicans are coming then you are probably right.

Ain't going to be any timmy 's drinking "canadians" getting drafted unless they are 7' feet plus..

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03-17-2014, 10:09 PM
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Yup, at the rate that africans/Jamaicans are coming then you are probably right.

Ain't going to be any timmy 's drinking "canadians" getting drafted unless they are 7' feet plus..
They are all Canadians if they are from Canada, no quotation marks. Tsn's "The Reporters" were actually just talking about it the other day. This generation of Canadian-born basketball players are a result of Vince Carter's popularity in Toronto.

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Basketball and soccer are probably the only 2 sports which have some popularity on all inhabited continents.
How does rugby in North America compare to basketball in Africa?

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03-18-2014, 12:12 AM
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Baseball isn't really popular anywhere in Europe. Japan and Korea are a different story.
It's somewhat popular in the Netherlands, mostly with immigrants from their Caribbean colonies where it is arguably the most popular sport.

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As for football there is rugby in Europe. There are no proper football leagues.
There are semi-professional gridiron football leagues in Germany, Italy and Sweden.

There's a Swedish kid playing currently playing high school football in US who's a very highly regarded QB prospect.

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03-18-2014, 01:20 AM
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Ya... Looks like the % of non-NA players in both leagues are pretty equal these days. The % of Europeans in the NHL has actually dropped since peaking at around 30% a decade or so ago.

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Yes, and the swarm of recent Canadian NBA talent (Wiggins, Thompson, Bennett, Olynyk, Stauskas, Joseph, Nicholson) is a reflection of that. It will be nice seeing Canada in the Olympics again in Basketball.
Not an expert by any means but I think a lot of things are still going to need to go right for Canada to make the Olympics again. There is certainly reason for Optimism though.

With no NBA teams outside of the GTA to drive interest in the rest of the country an Olympic medal could be a huge watershed moment for the sport in Canada.

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Ya... Looks like the % of non-NA players in both leagues are pretty equal these days. The % of Europeans in the NHL has actually dropped since peaking at around 30% a decade or so ago.



Not an expert by any means but I think a lot of things are still going to need to go right for Canada to make the Olympics again. There is certainly reason for Optimism though.

With no NBA teams outside of the GTA to drive interest in the rest of the country an Olympic medal could be a huge watershed moment for the sport in Canada.
They may not be ready to qualify for 2016 but by 2020 they should be a very strong team and a definite medal contender.

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Basketball and soccer are probably the only 2 sports which have some popularity on all inhabited continents.
i guess you mean teamsports. volleyball is another sport which is also played everywhere.

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They may not be ready to qualify for 2016 but by 2020 they should be a very strong team and a definite medal contender.
If some of the young talent coming up pans out they could/should be contenders and that would be pretty cool. As it stands right now though most aren't even in the league yet or getting limited minutes on bad teams.

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184 out of 848 in NHL (21.7%)
118 out of 440 in NBA (26.8%)

That's what I've found, but I'm not completely sure of the authenticity of these numbers. The NHL stats I took from the bio section of the website, so I'm pretty sure that's legit, but the NBA stats are counting foreign-born players on Wikipedia (I picked only European countries), and another site showing the birthplace of all US-born active players, so take from that what you will.

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There is one Swedish NBA player to my knowledge, and he plays in, drum roll ... Detroit.

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03-18-2014, 06:56 AM
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There is one Swedish NBA player to my knowledge, and he plays in, drum roll ... Detroit.
There's currently two Swedish NBA players, but Jeffery Taylor is injured...

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03-18-2014, 07:13 AM
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184 out of 848 in NHL (21.7%)
118 out of 440 in NBA (26.8%)

That's what I've found, but I'm not completely sure of the authenticity of these numbers. The NHL stats I took from the bio section of the website, so I'm pretty sure that's legit, but the NBA stats are counting foreign-born players on Wikipedia (I picked only European countries), and another site showing the birthplace of all US-born active players, so take from that what you will.
Not sure about the NBA but for the NHL you are missing the goalies. Looks like 39 out of 87 are non-NA.

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Here's a breakdown by country, from that site I linked previously:

Argentina 4
Australia 5
Bosnia and Herezgovina 2
Brazil 4
Cameroon 1
Canada 8
Congo 1
Czech Republic 1
Democratic Republic of the Congo 1
Dominican Republic 2
France 10
Georgia 2
Germany 3
Great Britain 2
Greece 1
Haiti 1
Israel 2
Italy 4
Latvia 1
Lithuania 2
Macedonia 1
Mexico 1
Montenegro 2
New Zealand 1
Nigeria 1
Poland 1
Puerto Rico 1
Russia 4
Senegal 2
Serbia 2
Slovenia 2
Spain 5
Sweden 2
Switzerland 1
Tanzania 1
Turkey 4
U.S Virgin Islands 1
Ukraine 2
Venezuela 1


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There's currently two Swedish NBA players, but Jeffery Taylor is injured...
Joakim Noah is also a Swedish citizen.

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As for football there is rugby in Europe. There are no proper football leagues. Rugby is Europe's football.

So I highly doubt there can be a significant amount of Euros in those sports.
There is rugby in 4 European countries. That's obviously not the reason gridiron is not popular in Europe.

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If some of the young talent coming up pans out they could/should be contenders and that would be pretty cool. As it stands right now though most aren't even in the league yet or getting limited minutes on bad teams.
Plus there's no evidence these players will actually be playing for their national team.

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There's a huge population of Euro NBA players. France and Serbia have produced over 40 NBA players.

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You may say Dirk and Yao don't, but outside of America they certainly do. It's much like how we in Canada don't give as much mention to players like Malkin and Ovi compared to Crosby. Especially in drafting, people are always looking for the next Canadian star.

In China, Yao is huge, much like TMac for whatever reason, and Dirk is big in Euro.
T-Mac spent a year in China and pretty much dominated.

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Yup, at the rate that africans/Jamaicans are coming then you are probably right.

Ain't going to be any timmy 's drinking "canadians" getting drafted unless they are 7' feet plus..
What the hell is this? There is so much wrong with this post
Just because someone is of African/Jamaican descent means they aren't true Canadians? What does timmy's have to do with anything?

Obviously behind the veiled racism, you meant white Canadians, Kelly Olynyk (Celtics) and Nik Stauskas (Michigan, could get drafted this year) are both white Canadians, not that it matters.

There has always been a large population of Black people in toronto/GTA, that has little to do with the talent coming up lately. A lot of it is attributed to the Raptors and Carter. All these Canadian kids in the NCAA now grew up watching them...obviously had quite an effect.

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