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03-17-2014, 05:12 PM
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Changing the draft again?

http://www.diebytheblade.com/2014/3/...no-coincidence

"This will be the second year in a row that the lottery is changed, and although we don't know whether or not it benefits the teams at the bottom or the ones in the middle, the latter is more likely based on recent moves. Last year the NHL made it so all 14 teams who miss the playoffs were eligible to move up to the first overall pick, instead of just the bottom five. The NHL has been following the lead of the NBA, with both leagues hoping to discourage tanking as much as possible."

Bad news for Buffalo fans.


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30 Thoughts: Changing odds in NHL draft lottery
By Elliotte Friedman Posted: Monday, March 17, 2014 | 11:26 AM

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Link, if interested:

Fixing the NHL Entry Draft Lottery System: Playoff For Number One or Win to Win #1

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TY, think it's working now.

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I think they should draw for the first three picks.

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Everybody wants a chance at McDavid.
And of course it happens in the middle of Buffalo's rebuild. There's a reason there's a WNY sports blog titled "Dear God, Why Us?"

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I really don't think there was anything wrong with the draft system we have in place right now.

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This is what I like too call "bad karma". Some fans are rejoicing that they are finishing last so they can get a much better chance at a "generational talent". If you are rooting for your team too lose for this reason, it will NOT serve you well, nor your GM's, or your Owners.

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I really don't think there was anything wrong with the draft system we have in place right now.
Me neither but I see where they're coming from.

Just like most people would say the teams into just miss the playoffs every year are the franchises that are worst off. I think first of all, for money reasons the NHL wants their teams not to tank So they get higher attendance, and second of all it gives a higher chance to the teams who just missed the playoffs to solidify their team to get into the playoffs, again for money reasons.

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Yeah man. So much parity in the nba. The nhl needs to follow that model because it works so damn well.............??????????

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I really don't think there was anything wrong with the draft system we have in place right now.
On paper it is a perfect system. Reality is it lends itself to tanking for picks. Might seem like a decent idea except fans pay to see their teams play today. Not for better draft picks in the future.

I like the idea of the top 3 picks being in the lottery. Would completely take the air out of the intentional tank.

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On paper it is a perfect system. Reality is it lends itself to tanking for picks. Might seem like a decent idea except fans pay to see their teams play today. Not for better draft picks in the future.

I like the idea of the top 3 picks being in the lottery. Would completely take the air out of the intentional tank.
Ya, this is true. Estainally what I said three posts ago

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Me neither but I see where they're coming from.

Just like most people would say the teams into just miss the playoffs every year are the franchises that are worst off. I think first of all, for money reasons the NHL wants their teams not to tank So they get higher attendance, and second of all it gives a higher chance to the teams who just missed the playoffs to solidify their team to get into the playoffs, again for money reasons.
I would agree it sucks for those teams that have been stuck in limbo just short of making the playoffs but not selling off all of their UFAs at deadline to pick up more draft picks. I like the current setup however I would grant a (slightly) higher percentage for the teams in the 8-14 spot IIRC spot 14 is like .5% and spot 8 is like 5%.

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On paper it is a perfect system. Reality is it lends itself to tanking for picks. Might seem like a decent idea except fans pay to see their teams play today. Not for better draft picks in the future.

I like the idea of the top 3 picks being in the lottery. Would completely take the air out of the intentional tank.
But not every team that misses the playoffs, imo. Just make it the bottom 6 all have equal chance of getting in the top 3.

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But not every team that misses the playoffs, imo. Just make it the bottom 6 all have equal chance of getting in the top 3.
Agreed with this. Draw between the bottom 5-8, maybe depending on how big the point gap is between those teams?

And call it the Oilers rule.

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If there was parity in the NBA, there wouldn't be talk in my neck of the woods about the Bucks moving to Seattle.

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Yeah man. So much parity in the nba. The nhl needs to follow that model because it works so damn well.............??????????
My thoughts exactly

The only change I'd like to see made is a switch to a snake draft.

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Better odds for the Oilers to get lucky with higher picks.

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I guess I'll advertise my thoughts on this going back a few years. There needs to be a multi-tiered lottery system.

Every 5-6 picks a new lottery, movement is only possible by one team within that 'bracket'. You will increase the variability and emotion built into the draft rankings while still ensuring bad teams get better players. You also offer up the chance for a decent team to get a better prospect occasionally.

Everyone gets a little bit of everything without preventing the bad teams from being ensured the #1 pick and without preventing them from getting a top talent to help league parity.

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I guess I'll advertise my thoughts on this going back a few years. There needs to be a multi-tiered lottery system.

Every 5-6 picks a new lottery, movement is only possible by one team within that 'bracket'. You will increase the variability and emotion built into the draft rankings while still ensuring bad teams get better players. You also offer up the chance for a decent team to get a better prospect occasionally.

Everyone gets a little bit of everything without preventing the bad teams from being ensured the #1 pick and without preventing them from getting a top talent to help league parity.
I would be in favor of this option as well.

You could make it every seven spots, and leave out 29 and 30, as they had the best seasons, obviously. Two tiers for non-playoff teams, two tiers for playoff teams.

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I don't see what's wrong with the current draft format. Although I do believe it's unfair to the bottom-feeders like Buffalo and Edmonton that there's a slight chance that a somewhat competent team that just missed the playoffs could get lucky and win the 1st pick. The lottery needs a little tweak, but otherwise the current draft format is just fine.

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http://www.diebytheblade.com/2014/3/...no-coincidence

"This will be the second year in a row that the lottery is changed, and although we don't know whether or not it benefits the teams at the bottom or the ones in the middle, the latter is more likely based on recent moves. Last year the NHL made it so all 14 teams who miss the playoffs were eligible to move up to the first overall pick, instead of just the bottom five. The NHL has been following the lead of the NBA, with both leagues hoping to discourage tanking as much as possible."

Bad news for Buffalo fans.
Not really. We'll just win the lottery next year with your pick.

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Worst team should get number 1 overall but if they have to have a lottery then only the top 5 worst teams should be able to get first overall. If they want to reduce tanking make the odds of getting first overall be closer between the 5 worst teams. Would hate to see a team miss the playoffs by 1 point then draft 1st overall getting great player and becoming a monster of a team. Better to let a crappy team get him and have some hope that crappy team can become good sooner rather then later.

Doing something based on what the NBA does is not good. NBA is so predictable compared to what the NHL has during regular season and playoffs and would hate for NHL to become more predictable then it currently is.

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The Oilers are proof that tanking doesn't always work out the way you'd hope. No need to change the system.

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Just lower the percentages of the the 3 worst teams:

30th: from 25% to 20%
29th: from 19% to 15%
28th: from 14% to 10%

and increase the odds of the other teams evenly.

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