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03-17-2014, 11:15 PM
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I personally divide the core of the team into a two groups (which are not mutually exclusive):

Core Players based on talent, on ice play, and potential:
Bobrovsky
Johansen
Jenner
Murray

Core Players based on Leadership, locker room influence, and other intangibles:
Foligno
JMFJ
Dubinsky
Horton
Wiz

The big question is does the further development in group A make members of Group B expendable. Horton was brought in for his clutch ability, playoff experience, and veteran leadership, if Jenner and Johansen develop those qualities over the next few years does that make him expendable? Dubinsky is a physical on the ice leader, but if Jenner moved to center and Anisimov makes the next step does he become expendable? How does moving Foligno affect Bob?

As much as we all want to build the all star team, it is becoming more and more clear that success is as much dependent upon scheme and chemistry as talent for the Blue Jackets, which makes the team culture as important as the roster, if not more so.

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03-17-2014, 11:24 PM
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I would give up anyone not named Ryan or Bob for him.
Yakupov? Ugh. No thanks. I think Columbus is done with that kind of player. I get it, lots of promise, draft people love him...except he can't play at this level and I very much donut he would buy in to Richards' system. Pass

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03-18-2014, 12:40 AM
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Yakupov? Ugh. No thanks. I think Columbus is done with that kind of player. I get it, lots of promise, draft people love him...except he can't play at this level and I very much donut he would buy in to Richards' system. Pass
IDK, depending who you are giving up for him...
You would still have Russian players on CBJ and mgt like JD/Jarmo to develop him.
It "could" work, could be different this time...

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Yakupov? Ugh. No thanks. I think Columbus is done with that kind of player. I get it, lots of promise, draft people love him...except he can't play at this level and I very much donut he would buy in to Richards' system. Pass
Sounds like a load of crepes to me. I think you heard the clamoring for trading for Yakupov and just glazed over. Surely the discussions wouldn't get pastRy an, whether it be Murray or Johansen. The team could certainly use a few more top tier skill guys sprinkled into the lineup. We're not exactly creme filled here. It wouldn't be a piece of cake though, you have to give something to get something. It's not like this is custard's last stand over there in Edmonton.

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I would give up anyone not named Ryan or Bob for him.
Don't think so. List has to be larger than that.

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Sounds like a load of crepes to me. I think you heard the clamoring for trading for Yakupov and just glazed over. Surely the discussions wouldn't get pastRy an, whether it be Murray or Johansen. The team could certainly use a few more top tier skill guys sprinkled into the lineup. We're not exactly creme filled here. It wouldn't be a piece of cake though, you have to give something to get something. It's not like this is custard's last stand over there in Edmonton.

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03-18-2014, 08:15 AM
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Yakupov? Ugh. No thanks. I think Columbus is done with that kind of player. I get it, lots of promise, draft people love him...except he can't play at this level and I very much donut he would buy in to Richards' system. Pass
I kind of agree with some of this; but you are probably a bit too hard on him as well. Can't play at this level? Seen no evidence of that.

There is a certain ex-linemate of Johansen that had an epic disaster his first year and came back from it. One could claim we are in sophomore slump territory with Nail. His first season wasn't too shabby.

Let me clarify; I'm not saying I'm interested (a lot of people seem to think the moment you defend someone against an extreme position you are suddenly supporting them - some smart/good posters at that). Just saying that you could very well be on the extreme side and might want to moderate this opinion a bit.

I think I'm going to have to put a disclaimer at the end of all my posts.

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I kind of agree with some of this; but you are probably a bit too hard on him as well. Can't play at this level? Seen no evidence of that.

There is a certain ex-linemate of Johansen that had an epic disaster his first year and came back from it. One could claim we are in sophomore slump territory with Nail. His first season wasn't too shabby.

Let me clarify; I'm not saying I'm interested (a lot of people seem to think the moment you defend someone against an extreme position you are suddenly supporting them - some smart/good posters at that). Just saying that you could very well be on the extreme side and might want to moderate this opinion a bit.

I think I'm going to have to put a disclaimer at the end of all my posts.
Interesting idea, I am having a wonderful time imagining what it would be!

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LOL I like how you called Horton a complimentary piece and then go on to say Brown is apart of the LA core. Hilarious.
You don't think the LA King's captain is part of their core?

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Interesting idea, I am having a wonderful time imagining what it would be!
"Disclaimer: I am not (as) surly as my post(s) may indicate."?

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"Disclaimer: I am not (as) surly as my post(s) may indicate."?
Thats pretty good, I should use that myself

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You don't think the LA King's captain is part of their core?
Not one bit.

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Sounds like a load of crepes to me. I think you heard the clamoring for trading for Yakupov and just glazed over. Surely the discussions wouldn't get pastRy an, whether it be Murray or Johansen. The team could certainly use a few more top tier skill guys sprinkled into the lineup. We're not exactly creme filled here. It wouldn't be a piece of cake though, you have to give something to get something. It's not like this is custard's last stand over there in Edmonton.

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While I'm not exactly in a rush to add More Flashy Skill, I do think Yakupov potentially represents an opportunity to bring that in in a form that we can actually use. He's obviously not there yet, and I wouldn't expect him to be an immediate payoff, but I have enough confidence in our team structure and system now that I think we really could turn a problem child into a star.

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"Disclaimer: I am not (as) surly as my post(s) may indicate."?
I've kind of always assumed that one.

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03-18-2014, 06:12 PM
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What a different discussion this is today then maybe three years ago. At that point many would've said Nash was the core of the team and very little else. It yet Nash was traded and it was a catalyst to building a team with depth. I'm hesitant to talk about core players because I think this team needs only some fine tuning. Thus I would like to keep the majority of this roster. But of course it takes some assets in order to add assets unless it's done through free agency. While anyone may be tradable, I would feel most comfortable if the assets such as Calvert, Savard, RJ, and Horton (the latter two because of contracts). For the fright deal I would add Cam to this list. I left out several the role and NHL/AHL players because I'm not sure of their trade value. I don't know if that makes the rest of the team core players, but I want to keep them. I think we've assembled a good group and can sprinkle in a few quality players to raise the ceiling of this team.

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