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03-19-2014, 03:06 AM
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Learn skating skills in series or in parallel?

I've got a dilemma. Do I learn skating skills one after the other or do I devote, say 5 or 10 mins at a time to each skill at public skates etc?

The way I see it there are relatively few key skills, ie forward and backward strides, starts, stops, crossovers, pivots/transitions.

But they all have to be learned and then burned into muscle memory.

The question is, whether to devote, say, a 1 hour public session to each of them equally or to focus on (maintaining skills already gained plus) one or two new ones?

What's your experience?

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A knowledgable coach should be able to answer this. My guess is that scientific research has been done and it points to doing things one way or the other.

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Don't rely on public skating too much. You'll learn to cross over oy one way.
Skate with puck and stick. Watch the best mechanical skaters closely. It'll come. Power skating classes will help as well.

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A knowledgable coach should be able to answer this.
I'll see what my LTP coach says on Fri

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Don't rely on public skating too much. You'll learn to cross over oy one way.
I hear ya. But there's enough quiet daytime sessions when I can go clockwise round circles that it's not a massive problem for me.

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Power skating classes will help as well.
They don't exist in the UK, AFAIK

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You'll probably be best served by cycling drills and finish a cycle with a drill that combines skills.

For example:

5 minutes: Swizzles
5 minutes: Backwards swizzles
5 minutes: Forwards stride development (step and glide)
5 minutes: Backwards stride development (backwards step and glide)
3 minutes: Tight turns (go right and left)
5 minutes: Forwards crossover
5 minutes: Rear crossovers
2 minutes: Front to back transitions, turning right
2 minutes: Front to back transitions, turning left
3 minutes: Back to front transition, alternating left and right

Combo drill: 5 minutes: Set up cones about 12 feet apart. Sprint to the closest cone, tight turn around it. Crossover out of the turn and sprint to the next cone. tight turn around it in the opposite direction that you turned the first cone. Crossover out and sprint back to the first cone. Transition to back skating and tight turn backwards around it. Continue back skating and skate to the other cone, turning tightly around it and crossing over to come out of the turn. Transition back to front. Continue the drill from the beginning.

Run back through the drills in 1 minute increments. Work back to the combo skating drill and skate it as hard as possible.

Repeat the cycle until you have reached one hour or are exhausted, whatever comes first. This is a basic set of drills I use to help my guys work on their skating or I use when helping new folks develop their skating skills.

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Thanks for that. You inspired me to create a plan based on yours . . .

5 minutes: Inside edge c-turns
5 minutes: Outside edges c-turns
5 minutes: Anti-clock crossovers
5 minutes: Clockwise crossovers
5 minutes: Start/stride/stop right
5 minutes: Start/stride/stop left
5 minutes: Start/stride/transition anti-c and back
5 minutes: Start/stride/transition clockwise and back
5 minutes: Anti-clock backward crossovers
5 minutes: Clockwise backward crossovers
5 minutes: Tight turns

Drills:
Face the clock
Iron Cross
Tight turn clover leaf


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You'll probably be best served by cycling drills and finish a cycle with a drill that combines skills.

For example:

5 minutes: Swizzles
5 minutes: Backwards swizzles
5 minutes: Forwards stride development (step and glide)
5 minutes: Backwards stride development (backwards step and glide)
3 minutes: Tight turns (go right and left)
5 minutes: Forwards crossover
5 minutes: Rear crossovers
2 minutes: Front to back transitions, turning right
2 minutes: Front to back transitions, turning left
3 minutes: Back to front transition, alternating left and right

Combo drill: 5 minutes: Set up cones about 12 feet apart. Sprint to the closest cone, tight turn around it. Crossover out of the turn and sprint to the next cone. tight turn around it in the opposite direction that you turned the first cone. Crossover out and sprint back to the first cone. Transition to back skating and tight turn backwards around it. Continue back skating and skate to the other cone, turning tightly around it and crossing over to come out of the turn. Transition back to front. Continue the drill from the beginning.

Run back through the drills in 1 minute increments. Work back to the combo skating drill and skate it as hard as possible.

Repeat the cycle until you have reached one hour or are exhausted, whatever comes first. This is a basic set of drills I use to help my guys work on their skating or I use when helping new folks develop their skating skills.

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KNEE BEND, KNEE BEND, KNEE BEND.

Without mastering that, you will not become a good skater.

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Yeah, I would definitely change it up every few minutes.

I find that if I work on any one thing for too long, it starts to hurt. If I do a bunch of backwards skating, the balls of my feet hurt. If I do just passing drills, the muscles in my back hurt. If I only do shooting drills, my shoulder starts to hurt.

So I do a little bit of everything. In an hour of stick time, I can accomplish quite a bit. sometimes I'll pick one main thing to work on and do 7-8 minutes of that with 5 minutes of something else, then 7-8 minutes of the main thing, 5 minutes of something else, etc.

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KNEE BEND, KNEE BEND, KNEE BEND.

Without mastering that, you will not become a good skater.
yup, I just did my first powerskating lesson this week. Proper knee bend is much deeper than I thought. Once I achieved it, everything magically came much easier.

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And the thing about knee bend is that you can work on it off the ice and see big benefits.

When I first started skating quasi-seriously, it was short track speedskating. The whole thing is done with knees/nose/toes alignment. This is something I just could. not. do. No matter how I tried, my knees did not get out enough to be over my toes. The muscles, etc. in the ankles simply weren't stretchy enough for me to lean that far forward on my ankles.

So I stretched, every day, in the shower. I would put the weight on that leg and just put my knee forward over the ankle as far as I could. It took a little while, but eventually I could do it. I had to quite skating for a while, but when I came back to the ice (this time hockey), that flexibility was still there.

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