HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Central Division > Chicago Blackhawks
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Brandon Pirri dealt to Florida for a 3rd (2014) & a 5th (2016)

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
03-20-2014, 10:49 AM
  #351
topnotch
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,025
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace Rothstein View Post
The way some of you guys talk about Pirri, it is like he played 16 min/night for 2 full seasons at the NHL level.
No he played 28 games receiving 11:20 of ES ice time which is more than Kruger, Handzus, Smith, Bickell, Bollig, Regin, Nordstrom, Mills, and Morin. AND he got ~a minute of PP time. Which is more than all of those players.

The Hawks have a full roster, and it takes quite a bit more to make this team than it does the Panthers. Why should an elite NHL team give much more of a shot when there are other players helping this team win, and LOTS more waiting for their chance?

topnotch is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 10:55 AM
  #352
UsernameWasTaken
Hawks Offseason WOAT
 
UsernameWasTaken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 20,165
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by 99 steps View Post
And injuries. You try playing hockey with two knee braces.
Even when healthy he has always had consistency and intensity problems, disappearing for long periods and seeming uninterested.

UsernameWasTaken is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 12:06 PM
  #353
pvr
Kruger Line=2.75 Men
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,251
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chelios View Post
My argument isn't, nor has it ever been, that Pirri was given every opportunity to showcase his offensive skills and succeed on the Hawks. My argument is against those saying he wasn't treated "fairly". He was treated like any other Hawk player: if you aren't producing offensively, you better be playing reasonably well defensively. Pirri simply didn't show enough away from the puck to justify him playing on a contending team when he wasn't producing offensively (which he wasn't since his first dozen games or so of the season). Its as simple as that. Like I have said before, you don't really have to agree with Q in that regard, but you have to admit that it is a reasonable position to take.
Seriously???!!! That is an absurd statement.

I think he was adequate defensively (I didn't really love his defensive game, but believe that he wasn't as bad as people have made him out to be). However, he was not given a prolonged look in a consistent position that would have been more conducive to his achieving success while on the Hawks. He played 24 games his first stint, and four his second stint. That's not enough time to find out if a rookie with his offensive talent has what it takes to make it in the NHL.

That is a very simple statement that would be hard to logically disagree with, regardless of what some here might think.

pvr is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 12:34 PM
  #354
BobbyJet
HFB Partner
 
BobbyJet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Dundas, Ontario. Can
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,368
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pvr View Post
Seriously???!!! That is an absurd statement.I think he was adequate defensively (I didn't really love his defensive game, but believe that he wasn't as bad as people have made him out to be). However, he was not given a prolonged look in a consistent position that would have been more conducive to his achieving success while on the Hawks. He played 24 games his first stint, and four his second stint. That's not enough time to find out if a rookie with his offensive talent has what it takes to make it in the NHL.

That is a very simple statement that would be hard to logically disagree with, regardless of what some here might think.
You just noticed? The absurdity began many posts ago in this thread.

BobbyJet is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 01:00 PM
  #355
Chelios
Registered User
 
Chelios's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 3,903
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pvr View Post
Seriously???!!! That is an absurd statement.

I think he was adequate defensively (I didn't really love his defensive game, but believe that he wasn't as bad as people have made him out to be). However, he was not given a prolonged look in a consistent position that would have been more conducive to his achieving success while on the Hawks. He played 24 games his first stint, and four his second stint. That's not enough time to find out if a rookie with his offensive talent has what it takes to make it in the NHL.

That is a very simple statement that would be hard to logically disagree with, regardless of what some here might think.
You may want to read that over again. I said that was never my argument.

Chelios is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 01:02 PM
  #356
Chelios
Registered User
 
Chelios's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 3,903
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BobbyJet View Post
You just noticed? The absurdity began many posts ago in this thread.
What have I been saying that is so absurd?

Chelios is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 02:06 PM
  #357
Hawkaholic
Registered User
 
Hawkaholic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: London, Ont.
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,567
vCash: 500
The most absurd thing I have read on here is that Pirri wasn't given a fair chance.

Hawkaholic is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 02:24 PM
  #358
Chelios
Registered User
 
Chelios's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 3,903
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkaholic View Post
The most absurd thing I have read on here is that Pirri wasn't given a fair chance.
I think the truth lies somewhere in between. He wasn't given every opportunity to succeed for a variety of reasons (his production while he was here, the dept of this team, his defensive game, the fact that he was waiver exempt etc...), but at the same time he wasn't treated unfairly either. He was given a significant amount of time with one of the best offensive players in the league, and didn't really produce much in his last ~20 games. The combination of not producing much in the time he had, and not being very good defensively led to a predictable outcome. I get that many here disagree on Q's insistence on defensive play (or on his assessment of Pirri's defensive play), but the fact remains that the rules are the same for everyone, as evidence by the fact that Bickell was scratched several times this season as well, while better defensive players have been given more leeway.

Chelios is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 02:50 PM
  #359
Hawkscap
Registered User
 
Hawkscap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,237
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkaholic View Post
The most absurd thing I have read on here is that Pirri wasn't given a fair chance.
That is most absurd thing ever?

Hawkscap is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 04:24 PM
  #360
Blackhawkswincup
Tornado Warning
 
Blackhawkswincup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Chicagoland
Country: United States
Posts: 120,261
vCash: 302
I personally thought all the "Campoli is a good dman" or "Stalberg is top 6 guy" was most absurd talk on HF Hawks board

Blackhawkswincup is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 05:05 PM
  #361
SLarmer28*
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 6,649
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkscap View Post
That is most absurd thing ever?
The Fire Stan Bowman thread was the most absurd topic.

SLarmer28* is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 06:24 PM
  #362
Hawkaholic
Registered User
 
Hawkaholic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: London, Ont.
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,567
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkscap View Post
That is most absurd thing ever?
Just about Pirri..Kruger and Fire Bowman cant be topped.

Hawkaholic is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 06:30 PM
  #363
DisgruntledHawkFan
Moderator
 
DisgruntledHawkFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Chicago
Country: United States
Posts: 27,061
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to DisgruntledHawkFan
Almost as absurd as your commentary on his defensive play. Almost.

DisgruntledHawkFan is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 06:34 PM
  #364
Salvaged Ship
Registered User
 
Salvaged Ship's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 3,932
vCash: 500
Probably time we should stop talking about this guy and move on

Salvaged Ship is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 06:57 PM
  #365
pvr
Kruger Line=2.75 Men
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,251
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chelios View Post
You may want to read that over again. I said that was never my argument.
Mea culpa. I apologize. I just read it wrong and incorrectly assumed that you were stating what some others were spewing.

pvr is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 07:14 PM
  #366
Hawkaholic
Registered User
 
Hawkaholic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: London, Ont.
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,567
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DisgruntledHawkFan View Post
Almost as absurd as your commentary on his defensive play. Almost.
You mean the defensive play Panther fans dont like as well?

Hawkaholic is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 07:15 PM
  #367
IU Hawks fan
They call me IU
 
IU Hawks fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: No longer IU
Country: United States
Posts: 21,395
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Salvaged Ship View Post
Probably time we should stop talking about this guy and move on
Yeah, I really don't get why this thread is still even open. It's just asking for trouble at this point.

IU Hawks fan is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 07:27 PM
  #368
Blackhawkswincup
Tornado Warning
 
Blackhawkswincup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Chicagoland
Country: United States
Posts: 120,261
vCash: 302
Brandon Pirri is clearly the Hawks version of Cam Neely

Gonna haunt franchise forever!

Blackhawkswincup is offline  
Old
03-20-2014, 09:31 PM
  #369
Hawkscap
Registered User
 
Hawkscap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,237
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkaholic View Post
You mean the defensive play Panther fans dont like as well?

Yep, I been reading thier boards. Just constant complaining of his D.

Hawkscap is offline  
Old
03-21-2014, 06:53 AM
  #370
Bubba88
Toews = Savior
 
Bubba88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Bavaria
Country: Germany
Posts: 26,163
vCash: 500
Zeus helps us with the PK... something Pirri couldn't do

Bubba88 is offline  
Old
03-21-2014, 07:11 AM
  #371
Marotte Marauder
Registered User
 
Marotte Marauder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,696
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba88 View Post
Zeus helps us with the PK... something Pirri couldn't do
Maybe Hockey Sensible and Chelios can blow a call into Q and see why Versteeg is held to :02 PK time per game?

He was a PKer his rookie year and oh so responsible now, what gives?

Marotte Marauder is offline  
Old
03-21-2014, 07:55 AM
  #372
Chelios
Registered User
 
Chelios's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 3,903
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marotte Marauder View Post
Maybe Hockey Sensible and Chelios can blow a call into Q and see why Versteeg is held to :02 PK time per game?

He was a PKer his rookie year and oh so responsible now, what gives?
Just got off the phone with Q, he said that, surprisingly, there is a difference between being excellent defensively and being better than Brandon Pirri. He also said that there is a bit of a difference in personel between this years team and Versteeg's rookie year.

Well there you have it MM, straight from the horses mouth. Any other snide jabs you want to get in that are completely off topic?

Chelios is offline  
Old
03-21-2014, 08:01 AM
  #373
Marotte Marauder
Registered User
 
Marotte Marauder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,696
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chelios View Post
Just got off the phone with Q, he said that, surprisingly, there is a difference between being excellent defensively and being better than Brandon Pirri. He also said that there is a bit of a difference in personel between this years team and Versteeg's rookie year.

Well there you have it MM, straight from the horses mouth. Any other snide jabs you want to get in that are completely off topic?
So is it your position that Versteeg is really not better defensively than Pirri or that KVS hasn't developed much since his rookie season? KVS just came upon a team with lower expectations and thus was thrust into the role?

You may have heard it from the horse's mouth, I'm not sure which end of the horse relayed the message

Marotte Marauder is offline  
Old
03-21-2014, 08:13 AM
  #374
Marotte Marauder
Registered User
 
Marotte Marauder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,696
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chelios View Post
. Any other snide jabs you want to get in that are completely off topic?
How is it off topic? Zus has been abysmal as 2C and the reason stated he is on the team (By Bubba88) is because he can PK, unlike Pirri.

Now with all the defenders better than Pirri, according to you, it shouldn't be difficult to replace Zus on the PK should it?

A PK that is below middle of the pack btw.

It is spot on topic.

Marotte Marauder is offline  
Old
03-21-2014, 08:27 AM
  #375
IU Hawks fan
They call me IU
 
IU Hawks fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: No longer IU
Country: United States
Posts: 21,395
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marotte Marauder View Post

A PK that is below middle of the pack btw.


[mod] What happened the 1st 2 months of the season has no effect on how they are now. This has been one of the best PKs in the league for 3+ months, and if you can't admit that, you're just lying.


Last edited by No Fun Shogun: 03-21-2014 at 09:18 AM. Reason: Play nice
IU Hawks fan is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:16 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.