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Would you do a 1-for-1 swap of Couturier for Weber

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Yes 107 74.83%
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03-24-2014, 11:56 AM
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I can't believe there's actually 27 people that voted no.

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03-24-2014, 11:57 AM
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But would you trade Couturier + Simmonds/Voracek for him? I probably would.

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03-24-2014, 11:59 AM
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Value wise it's an easy YES.

But on the other hand Couts fits a major need perfectly. When they want to win a cup they will need a dominant shutdown center just as much as a #1D, and Couts is already on the verge of becoming that center.
Which is why I'd keep Couts. We trade him for Weber and now we're looking for another elite defensive center.

...and please people do not say Laughton could fill Couturier's shoes just as well. I think he could do a decent job as a shutdown center but there are guys he physically won't be able to matchup with.

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Revisit the beginning of this season, and ask yourself if that happens with Weber playing for this squad.
That was a coaching problem. One player, no matter how great he is won't fix that.

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03-24-2014, 12:02 PM
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I can't believe there's actually 27 people that voted no.
In the short term his contract would be a problem with Pronger's cap hit having to be accounted for for three more seasons. In the long term I don't know how effective he will be in the last half of the contract. I'm perfectly happy with Weber being a Predator for life.

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03-24-2014, 12:39 PM
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Defensive specialist forwards are always popular because they tap into our species' universal ideas relating to altruism and sacrifice. That popularity has a tendency to allow for them to easily become overrated.

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Defensive specialist forwards are always popular because they tap into our species' universal ideas relating to altruism and sacrifice. That popularity has a tendency to allow for them to easily become overrated.
Yet no team without a high level two way center has won a Cup since 05, and every winner has had a recent Selke candidate.

So in this case no, I don't think that skillset is overrated as it seems to be a pre-req for serious contention. There's a reason Pittsburgh has been far less dangerous in the postseason without Staal.

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03-24-2014, 01:14 PM
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In the short term his contract would be a problem with Pronger's cap hit having to be accounted for for three more seasons. In the long term I don't know how effective he will be in the last half of the contract. I'm perfectly happy with Weber being a Predator for life.
I don't care, I would be willing to roll the dice on the best all around defensemen in the league at that cheap of a trade price.

The contract excuse just seems like a cop-out for people who value Couturier more than Weber & just flat out don't want to admit it to me.

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03-24-2014, 01:22 PM
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Everything in my brain says of course. My heart is still undecided...what's happening to me!?

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03-24-2014, 01:32 PM
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Weber's skills are just too good too not make this deal.

If anyone EVER had any doubts that he's not one of the top 3 defensemen in the NHL, his play in Sochi quickly eased those doubts.

He can hit, pass, shoot. His hockey IQ is off the chart. I love Couts and I believe in his potential, and I'm relieved the Flyers didn't deal him at the deadline, but if this deal is presented too me, Sean Couturier is in Preds yellow.

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03-24-2014, 01:37 PM
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Everything in my brain says of course. My heart is still undecided...what's happening to me!?

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The contract excuse just seems like a cop-out for people who value Couturier more than Weber & just flat out don't want to admit it to me.
You can't ignore cap hit and contract length when evaluating players, especially contracts than go on for four years longer than the new maximum length.

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03-24-2014, 01:50 PM
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I can't believe there's actually 27 people that voted no.


I don't really look at it as Couturier vs. Weber. I look at it as Couturier + ~7M in cap space vs. Weber. You could add another star level player for that.

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03-24-2014, 01:53 PM
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Giroux + Weber + Pronger = $21 million of the ~$70 million cap for the next three seasons on two players.

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03-24-2014, 01:58 PM
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You can't ignore cap hit and contract length when evaluating players, especially contracts than go on for four years longer than the new maximum length.
In this case I would especially with the cap going up plus there will be a new collective bargaining deal in between now & his deal running up, you guys are far too conservative.

Giroux's the only player on this team I wouldn't do a 1 for 1 deal involving Weber, every other player would easily be a yes from me.


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03-24-2014, 01:58 PM
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LOL @ people saying no, seriously people?
I know we like him but really?

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In this case I would especially with the cap going up plus there will be a new collective bargaining deal in between now & his deal running up, you guys are far too conservative. It's like a bunch of Steve Tambellini's on here.
Totally agree with you.

I love Couts, but this would be an easy yes for me. Just look how good MacDonald looks to us. Like a breath of fresh are to have someone who can pass, skate and play defense...and he is a 2nd pairing guy.

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He's not Pronger but he's the closest thing to. People here must be forgetting exactly the impact that a true 1D had on our team. Weber is not just one of the best offensive or defensive dmen, he's both with more on top, making him arguably the best in the league. Coots is one of the best defensive forwards in the league, while not being that offensive a player but having potential to put up solid supporting scoring. In terms of overall goodness this isn't as close as some are trying to make it sound but it's an extreme compliment to a great young player of ours, and speaks to the possibility that Coots' ceiling may be somewhere similar in value down his road but there's no telling for certain. Weber is the stud.

Edit: Between it leaving us with G, Schenn, Vinny, Laughton down the middle still, and our penchant for finding successful 2-way first round centers, I like the odds of us replacing more of Coots' contributions than Weber's by a very long shot.

tbh, the results of this poll are comical but that's also the only interesting thing about this proposition at all. It's quite telling of how these boards have turned into the yo-yo that they have.


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Revisit the beginning of this season, and ask yourself if that happens with Weber playing for this squad.
From what i remember the WHOLE team played bad except for Mason ? The Offense was terrible etc..........Do you HONESTLY think any one player would have fixed that ? Weber is a fantastic player , no question about it.BUT our club is doing just fine with Coots ......If it ain't broke don't fix it.

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tbh, the results of this poll are comical but that's also the only interesting thing about this proposition at all. It's quite telling of how these boards have turned into the yo-yo that they have.
It's comical that you can't appreciate the huge risk involved in taking on Weber's contract.

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It's comical that you can't appreciate the huge risk involved in taking on Weber's contract.
I know that there's risk involved with the contract. But it pays for having zero risks with the quality of player in many fold. Coots contract in a couple of years is going to go between 5-6m if he's who we hope for him to be. Shea Weber.

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I don't really look at it as Couturier vs. Weber. I look at it as Couturier + ~7M in cap space vs. Weber. You could add another star level player for that.
And we are going to acquire that star level player for Steve Coates and Tim Pannacio.

Other than Bobby Ryan I don't know a star level player the Flyers would have a bigger chance than any other team on landing for free via a UFA signing. At some point we'll have to trade some assets we have at the forward position for help on D.
Saying no to Couturier for Weber (which is close to being the best case scenario for the Flyers) qualifies as blind homerism in my eyes.

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Actually, if the Preds make Weber in the offseason available, do you believe Poile thinks like !anyone but the Flyers!" since they send him the offersheet?

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Oh god, I've become a ginger!

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Oh god, I've become a ginger!
And Couts grew some things that aren't typical for a man's body



edit: and shaved the beard!


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