Yeah Carolina is asking a lot for O'Neill but for good reason, he still has a lot of years ahead of him and his contract is fairly small.
But Morozov on the other I also think would come at a much cheaper cost, not sure if we would even have to part with a player for him...maybe just a draft pick
Hum ... IMO you have to give more than that .The pens attack is already so poor , i don't see the deal for them to get only a draft choice for one of their better player.Add a Hossa or a Plekanec to your draft choice , at least
we lose people want a trade, we win people want a trade
i hope they make NO big trades this year.
back to the game thread, what an awsome game, the 2nd period waz the key, when we ruined there momentum, it changed the whole game, im very happy about this one as it waz arguable the most important game of the year so far.(there will be many more to come*)
we now head into the all-star break on a nice little role.
btw i thought this waz komi's most consistent game so far, he waz very cool and calm and played his style game. he looked good on every shift, i can see this kids traices he'll be a beauty to be sure.
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Hum ... IMO you have to give more than that .The pens attack is already so poor , i don't see the deal for them to get only a draft choice for one of their better player.Add a Hossa or a Plekanec to your draft choice , at least
Well he hasn't exactly been tearing it up lately so I would say his price is very low at the moment, but honestly before any trades would happen I would prefer to see Hossa inserted into the lineup because watching Dagenais makes me want to smash my head off the wall
The truth is: Habs have only 3 decent first 2 lines players: Koivu, Ryder and Ribeiro, okay, let's add Zed it will make 4.
Please remember most teams in the league don't have 6 first two line players. Infact most teams in the league don't have 5......or 4, many don't have 3.
I did'nt see Komi make only one mistake tonight and he was a little lost in his own zone (rickety) for only one shift, during the second period!
I agree that it was one of Komi's better games. Guy you do a great job but where you started out trying to review the players and add a little humor, you now seem to have an agenda. If Bouillon has a bad game you add in that he's better than Hainsey. If Ward plays well, thats ok but he will never be a scorer. Why not just comment on how the players made out that night.
As for Bouillon. When Komi made that big hit on the Polish prince it was a two on two break. Komi took out his man and Bouillon skated around while Asham stepped in picked up the loose puck and got a real scoring chance on Theo. There is no way you could watch that game and tell me Bouillon deserved a better rating that Komi.
Please remember most teams in the league don't have 6 first two line players. Infact most teams in the league don't have 5......or 4, many don't have 3.
You only need three if their names are Naslund, Morisson, and Bertuzzi. :p I'm a patient guy though; I'm satisfied to wait for our prospects to develop...
I agree that it was one of Komi's better games. Guy you do a great job but where you started out trying to review the players and add a little humor, you now seem to have an agenda. If Bouillon has a bad game you add in that he's better than Hainsey. If Ward plays well, thats ok but he will never be a scorer. Why not just comment on how the players made out that night.
He's writing up his opinion on every player's play; it's a column not an article...
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Originally Posted by scosar
As for Bouillon. When Komi made that big hit on the Polish prince it was a two on two break. Komi took out his man and Bouillon skated around while Asham stepped in picked up the loose puck and got a real scoring chance on Theo. There is no way you could watch that game and tell me Bouillon deserved a better rating that Komi.
He bases the ratings on each player's individual ability. Langdon getting an A <<<< Ribeiro getting an A...
You only need three if their names are Naslund, Morisson, and Bertuzzi. :p I'm a patient guy though; I'm satisfied to wait for our prospects to develop...
Yeah, when the three names are Naslund, Morisson, and Bertuzzi, that's enough. To match those three*, you need at least 5 names, it makes 2 scoring lines; something most NHL team don't have. OT: I hate the way I write english. My style sucks.
*I was thinking “three” have roots and leafs and “tree” is the number 3. ??
I agree that it was one of Komi's better games. Guy you do a great job but where you started out trying to review the players and add a little humor, you now seem to have an agenda. If Bouillon has a bad game you add in that he's better than Hainsey. If Ward plays well, thats ok but he will never be a scorer. Why not just comment on how the players made out that night.
As for Bouillon. When Komi made that big hit on the Polish prince it was a two on two break. Komi took out his man and Bouillon skated around while Asham stepped in picked up the loose puck and got a real scoring chance on Theo. There is no way you could watch that game and tell me Bouillon deserved a better rating that Komi.
you're really severe on him Scosar.I wouldn't like Guy to just report the fact .His articles are always pleasant to read because of his aknowledgement and his style.He doesn't have the monopoly of the truth and doesn't pretend to have it.
It 's impossible for Guy to get the consensus about the rating he gives to the players and it's absolutly normal.But i think that he's really good with his judgement.
And about kind of Bouillon /Hainsey comments; IMO it's really good ;there are so much fans who overvalue Komi, Hainsey, Ward ( not about their potential but about how they are playing right now ) Good to open their eyes about what is the real game
And about kind of Bouillon /Hainsey comments; IMO it's really good ;there are so much fans who overvalue Komi, Hainsey, Ward ( not about their potential but about how they are playing right now ) Good to open their eyes about what is the real game
I don't think I am being severe on him at all. I acknowledge he is doing a great job and his post is one of the first I go read if I can't see the game myself. All I was pointing out was that in my opinion Guy started out reporting on who played well or not but has drifted into making assumptions and stating rumors. Who can tell Guy he is wrong about giving Ribs an A and Koivu a B. WE all have our favorite players and see them differently.
Just a note Markov. What is the real game. I have gone to watch the habs twice this year and maybe a couple hundred times in my life (I had access to season tickets throughout the late 70's) and have seen the Bulldogs maybe 5 or 6 times this year. I don't think and have never opinionated that Komi and Hainsey should be handed anything. I just feel that by not playing them this yearwe are going to be facing the same problems of learning curve at this time next year. And yes I know about trying to make the play-offs but Hamhuis was drafted at the same time as Komi and he is playing big minutes in Nashville. I'm pretty sure they are trying to make the play-offs too.
II don't think and have never opinionated that Komi and Hainsey should be handed anything. I just feel that by not playing them this yearwe are going to be facing the same problems of learning curve at this time next year. And yes I know about trying to make the play-offs but Hamhuis was drafted at the same time as Komi and he is playing big minutes in Nashville. I'm pretty sure they are trying to make the play-offs too.
And yes I know about trying to make the play-offs but Hamhuis was drafted at the same time as Komi and he is playing big minutes in Nashville. I'm pretty sure they are trying to make the play-offs too.
Nashville had a big hole where Hamhuis is playing now. They needed to risk rushing him to fill the hole. They could have damaged his confidence beyong repair. They got lucky Hamhuis was mature enough to handle the pressure. At least he wasn't in a media dominated atmosphere like Montreal. The Habs on the other hand didn't have an urgent need for Komi when they drafted him (plus he was going to college anyway), so they could afford taking their time with him. I'm sure if they see his progression being damaged, they'll react accordingly. The coaches do appear to know what they are doing after all...
I don't think I am being severe on him at all. I acknowledge he is doing a great job and his post is one of the first I go read if I can't see the game myself. All I was pointing out was that in my opinion Guy started out reporting on who played well or not but has drifted into making assumptions and stating rumors. Who can tell Guy he is wrong about giving Ribs an A and Koivu a B. WE all have our favorite players and see them differently.
Just a note Markov. What is the real game. I have gone to watch the habs twice this year and maybe a couple hundred times in my life (I had access to season tickets throughout the late 70's) and have seen the Bulldogs maybe 5 or 6 times this year. I don't think and have never opinionated that Komi and Hainsey should be handed anything. I just feel that by not playing them this yearwe are going to be facing the same problems of learning curve at this time next year. And yes I know about trying to make the play-offs but Hamhuis was drafted at the same time as Komi and he is playing big minutes in Nashville. I'm pretty sure they are trying to make the play-offs too.
Scosar, about Komi/Hainsey i was not refering at your point of you but about the one of some fans that overvalue those players.I don't know your personal feeling about them
i agree that Hainsey and Komi are both players with good skill but when i read things like ''bench Quintal to makes room for Komi , sorry but it's completly preposterous considering Q is playing in the first defensive line and is facing the best players.If Hainsey is close to Bouillon ,several fans are blind about the skill of bouillon and completely blind about the gap in the play of Hainsey
but once again i was not talking about your own point of view , but most at large
I don't think Bullis playing with Koivu and Ryder is such a bad thing. He isn't a big point producer but his speed opens things up and he leads the fore check. His defensive awareness allows his linemates a bit of freedom too. He isn't great on the rush, but I wouldn't move him right now. I see the same Dagenais as everyone else, but why not stick with him awhile. His game will always look ugly when he doesn't score. Let's see if he has the guts to work on his game and come out of his slump.
