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03-26-2014, 06:41 PM
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Over his last 225 games Pacioretty has 94 goals. That's a .41 gpg pace...or 34.25 goal per 82 game pace.


He has 179 points over that span as well. 0.795 ppg, or a 65.25 points per 82 game pace.

Essentially, over the past 4 season, Pacioretty has produced above the "at best 30-30-60"

He's been pretty consistent as well. The following are his on pace totals in each of the last 4 seasons if he had played 82 games in each year:

2010-2011: 31g, 53 points.
2011-2012: 34g, 67 points
2012-2013: 28g, 72 points
2013-2014: 40g, 63 points


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03-26-2014, 06:47 PM
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Pacioretty is such an underrated player around the league. He's the best pure offense player we've drafted since Koivu, and he's only 25.

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03-26-2014, 09:06 PM
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No offence, but onice has no clue what he's talking about. Calling MaxPac is at best a 30/30 player is ridiculous. So you mean that Patch has already peaked 3 years ago when he was only 22?

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03-26-2014, 09:38 PM
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Over his last 225 games Pacioretty has 94 goals. That's a .41 gpg pace...or 34.25 goal per 82 game pace.


He has 179 points over that span as well. 0.795 ppg, or a 65.25 points per 82 game pace.

Essentially, over the past 4 season, Pacioretty has produced above the "at best 30-30-60"

He's been pretty consistent as well. The following are his on pace totals in each of the last 4 seasons if he had played 82 games in each year:

2010-2011: 31g, 53 points.
2011-2012: 34g, 67 points
2012-2013: 28g, 72 points
2013-2014: 40g, 63 points
ah see, 34.25. not a 35 goal scorer. not even close

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03-26-2014, 10:14 PM
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so you mean that patch has already peaked 3 years ago when he was only 22?

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03-26-2014, 10:26 PM
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Max Pacioretty is underrated, is a good first line player.

30-35 goals, and 65-75 (potential 75 points, but realistic) points per season.. this a first line player IMO.

Come on by people say : Pacioretty is a 2nd liner -.- seriously....


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03-26-2014, 11:50 PM
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Definitions either mean something or they don't. If you're going to call him a 35 goal scorer, I'd assume he has scored 35 at least once. Lo and behold, he hasn't. And if you're going to give him a mulligan well hell give him a bigger mulligan and call him a 40 goal scorer. Why stop there? let's call him a 50 goal scorer.

The reason I say he isn't a first liner on a contending team is because on a contender a coach would not tolerate his inconsistencies. With the Habs they have no choice. He's their best scorer so they give him every opportunity and put up with his inconsistent play.

Lafleurs Guy claims if you team him with a better center he'll score more. I actually believe if you team him with a better center the coach will eventually take him off the better center's wing. Patches has terrible positioning most of the time. He places himself in terrible angles and his stickhandling leaves a lot to be desired so he can't maneuver himself into a better position once he has the puck. If Lafluers Guy's statement was true he wouldn't have been relegated to the 4th line with Team USA. They would have given him that better center man. I can hear the counters now: Bylsma is an idiot.

At best Patches is a 30/30 player. Nothing to sneeze at. But let's not make him out to be something he is not. That will only create disappointments.
Yeah right...

And I guess Subban isn't as good as Hamhuis right?

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03-27-2014, 12:00 AM
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What happens when a contract becomes so undervalued? I can't recall a player being locked up to such a low cap hit relative to goal scoring. Surely patches is going to start getting frustrated about that. Has a gm ever willingly given a player a raise during a contract?

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This is a very revealing thread about Hf posters. All should read it. I can't believe you had the foresight to warn everyone you'd be bumping that thread in a few months. Nicely done.

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03-27-2014, 02:08 AM
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dont care what anyone says

we'd be absolutely nowhere without this guy

love him

even with the DD prob

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03-27-2014, 04:53 AM
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No offence, but onice has no clue what he's talking about. Calling MaxPac is at best a 30/30 player is ridiculous. So you mean that Patch has already peaked 3 years ago when he was only 22?
i dont agree that max is a 30/30 guy "at best", but that happens more than you'd think. not every player keeps improving like he's a bot in NHL14. it's not linear, and it's not guaranteed. i mean, the league is filled with players that peak early

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03-27-2014, 06:10 AM
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Over his last 225 games Pacioretty has 94 goals. That's a .41 gpg pace...or 34.25 goal per 82 game pace.


He has 179 points over that span as well. 0.795 ppg, or a 65.25 points per 82 game pace.

Essentially, over the past 4 season, Pacioretty has produced above the "at best 30-30-60"

He's been pretty consistent as well. The following are his on pace totals in each of the last 4 seasons if he had played 82 games in each year:

2010-2011: 31g, 53 points.
2011-2012: 34g, 67 points
2012-2013: 28g, 72 points
2013-2014: 40g, 63 points

Here let me play this silly stats game with another Habs. Everyone's favorite: Rene Bourque.


Year.....GP.......Goals...... Projected goals
08-09...58.........21 .......30
09-10...73.........27........30
10-11...80........27..........he didn't play two games in the season who is to say he couldn't score 3 more goals.

So according to the game most of you guys are playing Rene is a 30 goal scorer. Few here will feel comfortable saying that and that's only because no one has a man crush on Rene and are not willing to apply this double standard to his record.

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03-27-2014, 06:56 AM
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Here let me play this silly stats game with another Habs. Everyone's favorite: Rene Bourque.


Year.....GP.......Goals...... Projected goals
08-09...58.........21 .......30
09-10...73.........27........30
10-11...80........27..........he didn't play two games in the season who is to say he couldn't score 3 more goals.

So according to the game most of you guys are playing Rene is a 30 goal scorer. Few here will feel comfortable saying that and that's only because no one has a man crush on Rene and are not willing to apply this double standard to his record.
After reading this fantastic argument, I will share this:


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03-27-2014, 07:08 AM
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Here let me play this silly stats game with another Habs. Everyone's favorite: Rene Bourque.


Year.....GP.......Goals...... Projected goals
08-09...58.........21 .......30
09-10...73.........27........30
10-11...80........27..........he didn't play two games in the season who is to say he couldn't score 3 more goals.

So according to the game most of you guys are playing Rene is a 30 goal scorer. Few here will feel comfortable saying that and that's only because no one has a man crush on Rene and are not willing to apply this double standard to his record.
Rene Bourque was a 30 goal scorer. For the past 3 years he obviously hasn't been at that pace and won't be there ever again.

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03-27-2014, 10:29 AM
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dont care what anyone says

we'd be absolutely nowhere without this guy

love him

even with the DD prob
Absolutely!
Pacioretty is the second most important player on this team after Price.

Why? You lose Subban, you still have Markov who can replace PK pretty good.
You lose Patch? You are ****ed... excluding Vanek who wasn't with the Habs for a big portion of the season, our second best goal scorers are Gallagher and Plekanec at 18.

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03-27-2014, 11:32 AM
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Here let me play this silly stats game with another Habs. Everyone's favorite: Rene Bourque.


Year.....GP.......Goals...... Projected goals
08-09...58.........21 .......30
09-10...73.........27........30
10-11...80........27..........he didn't play two games in the season who is to say he couldn't score 3 more goals.

So according to the game most of you guys are playing Rene is a 30 goal scorer. Few here will feel comfortable saying that and that's only because no one has a man crush on Rene and are not willing to apply this double standard to his record.
You may want to explain what you are trying to compare, because no one said "Between 08-11, Bourque sucked". This season and last season, Bourque sucked. (Up until his most recent point streak, good for him.)

30 goal scorer yesterday ≠30 goal scorer today

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03-27-2014, 12:57 PM
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You may want to explain what you are trying to compare, because no one said "Between 08-11, Bourque sucked". This season and last season, Bourque sucked. (Up until his most recent point streak, good for him.)

30 goal scorer yesterday ≠30 goal scorer today
Rene was never a 30 goal scorer because he never consistently scored 30 goals. Being healthy to play enough games to score the 30 goals is part of the equation. You can't say well he didn't play those games so we'll project his numbers. No! Staying healthy, having the physique to put up with the grind is part of the game.

It's not a complex concept. If and when Patches scores 35 goals and 35 assists then he becomes a 35/35 player. Until then he is a 30/30 player.

You guys may think he has the POTENTIAL to be a 35/35 player but until today he hasn't shown it.

And by the way here's another POV on this subject. Ray Ferraro was talking to Mitch Melnick a few weeks ago and Mitch mentioned that Ray had scored 40 goals in a season. Ray - talking about himself - said I scored 40 goals in a season twice but I wasn't a 40 goal scorer. Maybe it was modesty, maybe it wasn't.

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03-27-2014, 01:04 PM
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. Until then he is a 30/30 player.
He's already scored more than 30 twice. Had has scored above 60 points points once and has been on pace to do so in each of the last three seasons.

He's already above a 30 goal scorer, accomplishing the feat twice. He's already scored more than 60 points. Would probably do so again this year if he didn't miss some time. Last year he was almost a point per game in what people called a disappointing year.

His aggregate production since 2010 has been above a 30/30 player.

Saying he hasn't shown 35-35 potential is just plain false. In fact, he's been playing much closer to a 35-35 guy than he has a 30-30 guy.

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Rene Bourque was a 30 goal scorer. For the past 3 years he obviously hasn't been at that pace and won't be there ever again.
Bourque is 32. Bourque never scored 30 goals in a season. The only seasons where he scored more than 25 goals is when he was in his prime time at 27 and 28 years old.

Pacioretty is 25. He still has at least 4 or 5 maybe 6 full seasons before declining. He already has two 30+ goals seasons. The first one was at 23 years old when he was still young and learning.

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LOL@comparing Bourque and Patch

Bourque at 32
142 goals, 133 assists, 275 pts in 553 games (0.50 PPG)

Pacioretty at 25
100 goals, 103 assists, 203 pts in 311 games (0.65 PPG)

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33 goals.

At best a 30-30-60 guy.

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I think we can now officially say that Patches is a 35 goal.scorer.

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5 goals in 6 games to hit 40! If he only gets to 38 or 39 it'll really suck that he missed those games

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I wonder if onice still believe that MaxPac is an 2nd line 30/30 player.

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i dont agree that max is a 30/30 guy "at best", but that happens more than you'd think. not every player keeps improving like he's a bot in NHL14. it's not linear, and it's not guaranteed. i mean, the league is filled with players that peak early
Thanks for your encouraging words. Now tell us that Galchenyuk has reached his peak. We'll believe you.

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