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03-31-2014, 02:42 PM
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Right, but if you're going the FA route to sign someone, what kind of Dman do you think will be available?
I didn't say free agent, either. We have some trade chips (B. Schenn). And yes, I know what you're going to say. That would leave a center spot available for Vinny, which I don't agree with. I think the longer you hold onto that contract, the more difficult it will be to get rid of it. Also, I don't think Vinny is good enough defensively to play any real minutes at center. Scott Laughton or Raffl are way better defensively.

These 1-way guys who don't play defense and also don't score enough to justify having to shelter them constantly aren't worth the headache or cap hit imo (ie Vinny, Briere). I just don't see winning teams built with guys like that these days.

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03-31-2014, 02:47 PM
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I didn't say free agent, either. We have some trade chips (B. Schenn). And yes, I know what you're going to say. That would leave a center spot available for Vinny, which I don't agree with. I think the longer you hold onto that contract, the more difficult it will be to get rid of it. Also, I don't think Vinny is good enough defensively to play any real minutes at center. Scott Laughton or Raffl are way better defensively.

These 1-way guys who don't play defense and also don't score enough to justify having to shelter them constantly aren't worth the headache or cap hit imo (ie Vinny, Briere). I just don't see winning teams built with guys like that these days.
I wasn't gonna make that point, but the point I would make is that whoever you trade will likely have a significant cap hit attached (whether it be Schenn, Luke Schenn, etc.) that will help eat the cap hit of whoever you are acquiring.

I would personally like to keep Vinny for another season at least.

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03-31-2014, 03:34 PM
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I'm not opposed to trading Vinny for a pick if the cap space is used to sign a genuine left winger.

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03-31-2014, 03:57 PM
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I'm not opposed to trading Vinny for a pick if the cap space is used to sign a genuine left winger.
I do not disagree...

however they are few and far between (ones who could be available)

Last 2 seasons:

Untouchable:

Hall (1.044 PPG)
Benn (0.896 PPG)
Landeskog (0.716 PPG)
O'Reilly (0.772 PPG)
JVR (0.738 PPG)
Lucic (0.675 PPG)

Infeasible at this moment:

Parise (0.806 PPG)
Vanek (0.955 PPG)
Sharp (0.894 PPG)
Neal (0.978 PPG)
Nash (0.767 PPG)
Steen (0.845 PPG)
Ladd (0.795 PPG)
Sedin (0.719 PPG)

Likely retire where they are/short shelf life:

Franzen (0.775 PPG)
Elias (0.813 PPG)
Marleau (0.774 PPG)

Probably ~Hartnell level/not a good fit:

Kunitz (0.975 PPG)
Marchand (0.675 PPG)
Lupul (0.747 PPG)
Moulson (0.783 PPG)

That leaves:

Ryan (0.672 PPG)
Pacioretty (0.838 PPG)
Kane (0.667 PPG)
Skinner (0.686 PPG)

Skinner and Patches would take a lot to get. One or both may be untouchable unless a great deal going back.

We have to wait until next offseason to sign Ryan.

That leaves Kane... I reckon he could be had, but he will likely cost a lot as well.

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03-31-2014, 04:22 PM
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Skinner and Patches would take a lot to get. One or both may be untouchable unless a great deal going back.

We have to wait until next offseason to sign Ryan.

That leaves Kane... I reckon he could be had, but he will likely cost a lot as well.
It does seem like slim pickings when it comes to left wingers. Any potential high end wingers in the upcoming draft that the Flyers might have a chance on? Though I guess that player may not even be NHL ready for a year or two.

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03-31-2014, 04:25 PM
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It does seem like slim pickings when it comes to left wingers. Any potential high end wingers in the upcoming draft that the Flyers might have a chance on? Though I guess that player may not even be NHL ready for a year or two.


Though tbh with the Flyers improved play and ascension up the rankings I reckon he will be gone by then... probably drops no further than ~18.

Adrian Kempe has been falling all year and I do not know quite why... he has looked a great all round player when I have seen him for Modo... though he likely tops out as a 2nd liner if he hits his potential. Though a very Flyers kind of player, more so than his brother.

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03-31-2014, 04:25 PM
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Remember that Montreal was scouting the Flyers hard in the beginning of the year. Maybe teams could have shelved something until after the year is finished? Montreal had Scott Mellanby constantly following us around during that span. Not saying we make a move with Montreal in the off season but I wouldn't be shocked if something came up between the two clubs down the line.

Max Pac always has been given a tough go up there too.

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Remember that Montreal was scouting the Flyers hard in the beginning of the year. Maybe teams could have shelved something until after the year is finished? Montreal had Scott Mellanby constantly following us around during that span. Not saying we make a move with Montreal in the off season but I wouldn't be shocked if something came up between the two clubs down the line.
Maybe they'll trade us Pacioretty for Gustafsson!

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03-31-2014, 04:29 PM
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It would be pretty awesome for one more slump year out of Ryan in OTT. If he doesn't have fun with the Senators the odds may stack in our favor to get him at a reasonable price here...

That said...

Let's say you move Schenn + Schenn for someone like Myers + 3rd...

Grossmann out for draft picks...

Trade your Laughton + 1st for OTT to save face on the Ryan move...

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Ryan - Lecavalier - Simmonds
Raffl - Couturier - Read
Rinaldo - Hall - McGinn

Timonen - Coburn
Streit - Myers
Gustafsson - MacDonald

Mason
UFA

NHL 13 stuff possibly, but cool nonetheless. Only problem is that we give up so much grit with those moves.


NOTE: With this I agree to have used up my one allotted giddy fanboy move to bring Ryan to Philadelphia for the 2013-14 season.


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03-31-2014, 04:29 PM
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Maybe they'll trade us Pacioretty for Gustafsson!
Surely MaxiPatch ++ > Gus

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03-31-2014, 04:44 PM
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Draft in my mind:

Gone by #5:

Reinhert
Ekblad
Bennett

Gone by #10:

Draisaitl
DalColle
Fleury

Gone by #15:

Ehlers
Perlini
Nylander
Ritchie
Virtanen
McCann

I do not think the Flyers will have a shot at those 12 players.

That leaves:

Kapanen (LW)
Kempe (LW/C)
Barbashev (LW)
Larkin (LW/C)
Scherbak (LW)
Milano (LW/C)
Karlsson (LW/RW)
Vrana (LW/RW)

Tuch (C/RW)
Ho-Sang (C/RW)
Schmaltz (C/RW)
Bleackley (C)
Fabbri (C/LW)

Pastrnak (RW/LW)
Goldobin (RW)
Fiala (RW/LW)

McKeown (D)
Honka (D)
DeAngelo (D)

who will fight it out for the other 1st round spots...

There are some players, especially wingers, with top 6 talent who can be had in the 20s.

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There are some players, especially wingers, with top 6 talent who can be had in the 20s.
Wingers generally fall, and we need wingers. This is a good year to scoop up a solid prospect in the late round.

It's a weak class, but that means it's also not top heavy outside the first three. There's a little bit of play in the progression, and that being said, we definitely need a winger.

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Though tbh with the Flyers improved play and ascension up the rankings I reckon he will be gone by then... probably drops no further than ~18.

Adrian Kempe has been falling all year and I do not know quite why... he has looked a great all round player when I have seen him for Modo... though he likely tops out as a 2nd liner if he hits his potential. Though a very Flyers kind of player, more so than his brother.
I would love if the Flyers could draft a player with Kapanen's skill set. I just want a one, two punch with Giroux and someone else. Is that too much to ask for?

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03-31-2014, 06:25 PM
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Keep Vinny on the 4th Line. its clear Vinny over matches lesser opponents in that match up. It also seems to help Rinaldo's overall confidence. If Vinny regains whatever he lost at the beginning of the year he can move up.

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Toronto fans are not happy with their Centre depth at all. Think management would accept a trade for Vinny?

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We have to wait until next offseason to sign Ryan.
Or MacArthur.

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Toronto fans are not happy with their Centre depth at all. Think management would accept a trade for Vinny?


What would we want from Toronto?

A 1st?

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What would we want from Toronto?

A 1st?
Whatever we can to get of that contract IMO

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Whatever we can to get of that contract IMO
I think you're severely underrating Lecavalier

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I think you're severely underrating Lecavalier
I just don't want to pay 4.5 million to a player who doesn't even look like he belongs in the NHL just because he was asked to play a different position. I can understand not being as effective when not playing at your natural position, but the only player he might have been better than was vandevelde. I think most on here overrate him because of what he once was in Tampa.

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I just don't want to pay 4.5 million to a player who doesn't even look like he belongs in the NHL just because he was asked to play a different position. I can understand not being as effective when not playing at your natural position, but the only player he might have been better than was vandevelde. I think most on here overrate him because of what he once was in Tampa.
Fine, but to say you'd move him for anything? I completely disagree with that

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I just don't want to pay 4.5 million to a player who doesn't even look like he belongs in the NHL just because he was asked to play a different position. I can understand not being as effective when not playing at your natural position, but the only player he might have been better than was vandevelde. I think most on here overrate him because of what he once was in Tampa.
And this year while at C, he produces at a 50+ point pace.

I would be trying Schenn at LW one more time beside G and see if that fixes all of our issue at F.

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I like that he has responded to his demotion...don't like that he had to get motivated to respond in the first place. A seasoned vet, leader and talent like him should be self-motivated but playing out of position probably didn't help...

Hopefully, he can carry over this play into the playoffs if we secure a spot.

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Has he responded, or does he just play a lot better in the middle of the ice?

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