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04-02-2014, 11:00 AM
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PK Subban's defense partner

Looks like the canadiens didn't really think that it was an issue but Subban has been playing with Gorges & Bouillon for the most part of the year.

If you want to play him for 25 + minutes, you need to get him a good defense partner that can play big minutes.

A guy like Jay Bouwmester or a Seabrook

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04-02-2014, 11:02 AM
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Bouillon forever!

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Gorges and Subban is a decent pairing.

The Habs don't have any capspace for another top pairing defenseman. Bouwmeester and Seabrook both make more than $5 million a year. The Habs would have to trade one of Gorges/Emelin + other valuable assets to acquire a legit top pairing D.

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Gorges is fine IMO.

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Francis Bouillon.

I heard Bobby Orr said he could have been so much better had he been able to observe Bouillon play.

Or maybe Therrien dreamed this, I don't know.

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Markov-Subban was one of the best D pairings in the league. The Habs were riding on that pairing on a 10-0-1 streak before being blown out by the Kings.

Therrien then decided to dismantle his best D pairing just because.

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Subban plays a lot of his minutes on the powerplay so you don't need someone who can log 25+ a night, just someone who can play the even strength minutes with him which is why Gorges is fine. Tinordi looked solid in the small amount of time paired with Subban so maybe he can take over that role in the near future.

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http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/20...diens-coaching

A good article regarding Mononcle Michel's usage of our boy PK.

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...because Therrien, plain & simple...just say it...let it roll off your tongue...become familiar with it...get used to it, because we're going to be saying it alot in the near future...

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http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/20...diens-coaching

A good article regarding Mononcle Michel's usage of our boy PK.
Wouldn't "Monocle" imply that he has one good eye at the very least?
I get the reference that he actually does see some things in a kind of unidimensional way.
i just find that you are generous today.
i think i prefer you scathingly brilliant
Great article...

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...oh, and:


#FireTherrien



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Wouldn't "Monocle" imply that he has one good eye at the very least?
I get the reference that he actually does see some things in a kind of unidimensional way.
i just find that you are generous today.
i think i prefer you scathingly brilliant
Great article...
Everybody keeps reading it as Monocle when I write that.

Mononcle means 'uncle/my uncle' in french, but my usage stems more from saying ' un vieux mononcle', old out of touch fart who doesn't know jack **** about anything.

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http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/20...diens-coaching

A good article regarding Mononcle Michel's usage of our boy PK.
Interesting read and pretty much exactly what's been said here many times all season regarding MT's usage of PK.

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Everybody keeps reading it as Monocle when I write that.

Mononcle means 'uncle/my uncle' in french, but my usage stems more from saying ' un vieux mononcle', old out of touch fart who doesn't know jack **** about anything.
LOL
i just realized that.
But come to think of it not a bad moniker go ahead and change it if you like with my blessings.

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LOL
i just realized that.
But come to think of it not a bad moniker go ahead and change it if you like with my blessings.
Last time someone read it as 'monocle', everyone seemed to like it better than way, too

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JM was using the Subban-Gorges pairing all the time and a lot on the penalty kill. We had the #1 Penalty kill that year.

Subban-Markov was an amazing duo and we went on a hell of a streak with them playing together.


So the obvious answer is to play your Norris winning defenceman with the guy you had in the pressbox for a 16 (i think) game stretch. Then you bench him for "trying to do too much" when a lot of times Frankie B. is not offering him an option so Subban is forced to make something happen.

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Last time someone read it as 'monocle', everyone seemed to like it better than way, too
MT's new nickname is Mr. Peanut.

BTW,

"while Subban was on the ice, the Canadiens were giving up 24.49 shot attempts per 60 minutes. While he was off the ice, they were giving up 73.2 shot attempts per 60."

Holy crap man...

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JM was using the Subban-Gorges pairing all the time and a lot on the penalty kill. We had the #1 Penalty kill that year.

Subban-Markov was an amazing duo and we went on a hell of a streak with them playing together.


So the obvious answer is to play your Norris winning defenceman with the guy you had in the pressbox for a 16 (i think) game stretch. Then you bench him for "trying to do too much" when a lot of times Frankie B. is not offering him an option so Subban is forced to make something happen.
But on the flip side haven't you noticed all the open ice it affords Cube

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http://thepensblog.com/pensblog/new-...-therrien.html

this page is old (from MT's days coaching the Penguins) but it applies here and should get some good laughs.

features this gem:

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This is just crazy..

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To put this in greater context, while Subban was on the ice, the Canadiens were giving up 24.49 shot attempts per 60 minutes. While he was off the ice, they were giving up 73.2 shot attempts per 60.

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This is just crazy..
Obviously this isn't true. He sucks defensively.


In the playoffs, I'd put him with Markov and play them for 30 minutes a game.

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A good article regarding Mononcle Michel's usage of our boy PK.
Maybe Subban is injured???

I never was on the FireTherrien wagon, but not using him at this time of the year without a good reason is a ****ing infuriating move by mononcle Mich.

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MT's new nickname is Mr. Peanut.

BTW,

"while Subban was on the ice, the Canadiens were giving up 24.49 shot attempts per 60 minutes. While he was off the ice, they were giving up 73.2 shot attempts per 60."

Holy crap man...
Well it couldn't be Me.Patate
Potatoes do have eyes.

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This is perfect. MT is too worried about imposing his dominance over players. It's like he has such an inferiority complex that he has to single out PK to make sure the he doesn't realize that he is an elite defenseman.

News flash Therrien, PK is elite and you need to start playing him 30 minutes a game with our second best defenseman. Don't play him with our 7th defenseman because it limits his effectiveness.

Does anyone have any examples of other coaches playing their clear #1 d-man with a scrub?

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