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04-02-2014, 01:57 PM
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Anyways, this thread is about Couts...
Yep, which is why I think we should look into moving the Schenns for something...

Let Lecavalier have the 3rd line spot and groom Laughton to replace him while eventually taking some of the PK responsibility from Couts.

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Yep, which is why I think we should look into moving the Schenns for something...

Let Lecavalier have the 3rd line spot and groom Laughton to replace him while eventually taking some of the PK responsibility from Couts.
It'd be cool if Laughton could take over a bunch of Couturiers PK time so Couturier could play more PP.

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It'd be cool if Laughton could take over a bunch of Couturiers PK time so Couturier could play more PP.
Couts is the last guy I want losing PK time. If anything, I want him out there for even more of each 2 minutes. His combination of anticipation and stick insanity is second to none and for a team that will likely always live in the box, it'd surely be a mistake to take his bread and butter from him. I think he is in a perfect role for himself right now as much as everyone would like him to get more PP time. We have a lot of names up front to split the ice time. I suppose he gets our 2C minutes, but not necessarily 2C ice. I'd like to see Schenn get more of those PP minutes.

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It'd be cool if Laughton could take over a bunch of Couturiers PK time so Couturier could play more PP.
Couts is so damn awesome at PK'ing, in tight games, I really doubt he'll ever have a reduced role. I especially love when he disrupts the offenses zone entries constantly.

Having a Couts-Read, Laughton-Raffl PK'ing tandem will be sexy, though.

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Coots still needs to get stronger and faster. If he had Joe Thornton speed he would be a 60 pt player.
agree completely, watching this kid skate through the neutral zone is painful. He can potentially create so many odd man rushes with his instincts in his own zone and his crafty stick work similarly to the way Richards did for the Flyers for a number of years. I still worry about his savvy in the O zone even if he gains a step though, that's a skill that seams to be a young mans game from top level picks that doesn't pass the eye test with him though *shrug*. With Schenn you can see the confidence and ability even if he's not potting pucks.

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He's a 21yr old kid with a 6'3 frame. He needs another offseason or two to gain a bit of speed at an increased more permanent weight. He'll need both of these things since his developing offensive game seems to be possession based and has his shifts beginning in his own end. He has the skillset to stop players in their tracks and turn the play around but is still waiting for the physical development aspect of having a large frame to be able to use possession for offence. It's the same issue with BSchenn. They're big phyiscal young players, it's tough to develop full body strength and speed at the same time while maintaining game and season stamina to boot.

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Someone on the main boards was pissing me off, so I did some research and found this.


Ranking the players that have played 60 or more games this season (a little under 75%), there are only 5 forwards in the league who were in the Top 50 of QoC (F), SHTm%, and O/DSt%.

Matt Read: Age 27, 40 points
Sean Couturier: Age 21, 39 points
Tomas Plekanec: Age 31, 43 points
Antoine Vermette: Age 31, 45 points
Matt Stajan: Age 30, 33 points

There are very few players in the league asked to play these types of minutes, and Couturier is the youngest by far. As you can see none of them put up a lot of points (40-45ish), and that's because they're not put into a position to succeed offensively. Furthermore, of the group Couturier clearly has the most room to grow.


QoC(F): Quality of competition forwards only. Ie. what line the player plays against.
SHTm%: The percentage of the team's PK time the player was out there for
O/DSt%: Ozone starts/(OZone + Dzone Starts)

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04-15-2014, 01:18 PM
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In the same thread Appleyard posted this yesterday...

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The three centres Couturier played the most vs this season:

Crosby
Backstrom
Tavares

His Ozone starts were 41.7%. (19th hardest amongst centres.)

His Rel QoC was 1.423. (7th hardest amongst centres.)

And he was a + player.

He played the most PK minutes of any forward in the NHL this year; 5th most of any NHL player including Dmen. (having the best Corsi on of any PKer with more than 2 minutes a game... and being joint 4th in SH scoring.)

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04-16-2014, 02:20 PM
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Posted today on the main boards by Curufinwe...

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The argument is that Couturier's ES production this season (1,179:01 ES TOI, 31 ESP, +1) is very similar to or in some cases higher than other forwards who played a similar amount of ES minutes this season.

Zajac, 1,265:06, 33 ESP, +3

Ennis 1,245:45, 27 ESP, -25

Backstrom 1,243:08, 34 ESP, -20

Kesler 1,241:02, 26 ESP, -15

Jordan Staal 1,235:38, 26 ESP, +2

Zubrus 1,230:36, 26 ESP, +1

B Richards 1,228:14, 32 ESP, -8

Killorn 1,206:00, 33 ESP, +8

Plekanec 1,205:43, 30 ESP, +11
Gionta 1,200:12, 32 ESP, +1

Vrbata 1,180:00 ES TOI, 30 ESP, - 6
Vermette 1,192:50, 29 ESP, Even

D Sedin 1,175:09, 29 ESP, Even

Kadri 1,159:16, 32 ESP, -11

Richards 1,029:24, 27 ESP, -6



I did, and showed his level of ES production is as good as or superior to more than dozen top NHL forwards. You claim below has been proven false.

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My word, you know he's good but I didn't realise HOW good. Imagine when he's really matured into the game at 28/29...

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04-16-2014, 02:28 PM
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Better than a Sedin, Richards, J. Staal, and Backstrom overall in ES is pretty damn awesome .

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In the same thread Appleyard posted this yesterday...
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Posted today on the main boards by Curufinwe...
Haven't went into the thread on the mainboard (and won't for my own good) but I can't imagine how the haters/detractors can argue with any of these stats. Im sure they're trying their best though

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Plekanec was the guy I was most impressed to discover Couturier exceeded in ES scoring this season.

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Haven't went into the thread on the mainboard (and won't for my own good) but I can't imagine how the haters/detractors can argue with any of these stats. Im sure they're trying their best though
Their argument is that Couturier gets "top line" minutes but doesn't produce offensively. Someone even tried to compare his situation to Evgeni Malkin, saying Malkin gets "top line" minutes even though he isn't the Pens top center.

The counter argument was, not all minutes are the same (ES, PK, PP). The counter argument, as you can imagine is being ignored.

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04-17-2014, 03:03 PM
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Couturier should have been on the USA team this year. And Jack Johnson.

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Couturier should have been on the USA team this year. And Jack Johnson.
I wish. Doesn't he compete for Canada though. What a dick.

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04-17-2014, 03:13 PM
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Couturier was born in the States, but he's pretty French-Canadian and grew up in New Brunswick.

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Couturier should have been on the USA team this year. And Jack Johnson.
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I guess he if he wanted to, he could play for the USA.

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He has a good chance to play for team canada in the olympics one day.

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Best Selke finish by 3rd season after draft year (age 20-21 season):

J. Staal: 13th
O'Reilly: 14th
Toews: 17th
Landeskog: 43rd
Hossa: N/A (first nomination in 4th season after draft.)
Couture: N/A (first nomination in 4th season after draft.)
Kesler: N/A (first nomination in 5th season after draft.)
Stastny: N/A (first nomination in 5th season after draft.)
M. Richards: N/A (first nomination in 5th season after draft.)
Getzlaf: N/A (first nomination in 5th season after draft.)
Giroux: N/A (first nomination in 5th season after draft.)
Callahan: N/A (first nomination in 5th season after draft.)
Fisher: N/A (first nomination in 5th season after draft.)
Zajac: N/A (first nomination in 5th season after draft.)
Stepan: N/A (first nomination in 5th season after draft.)
Bergeron: N/A (first nomination in 6th season after draft.)
Kopitar: N/A (first nomination in 6th season after draft.)
M. Koivu: N/A (first nomination in 6th season after draft.)
Plekanec: N/A (first nomination in 7th season after draft.)
Backes: N/A (first nomination in 7th season after draft.)
Zetterberg: N/A (first nomination in 7th season after draft.)
Vermette: N/A (first nomination in 7th season after draft.)
McClement: N/A (first nomination in 8th season after draft.)
Nielsen: N/A (first nomination in 8th season after draft.)
Marleau: N/A (first nomination in 9th season after draft.)
Datsyuk: N/A (first nomination in 9th season after draft.)

Couturier is looking likely to come 6-10th ish this year...

What players have came top ten in Selke voting in their 3rd year after the draft before? (age 20-21 season.) Would be interesting to see...

Steve Kasper is one. He won it in his age 20-21 season and was 4th in age 19-20.

(I know, not perfect... but interesting! And promising.)

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I guess he if he wanted to, he could play for the USA.
He's locked in for Canada, he played in the 2011 WJC's for them.

He could technically switch this winter so long as doesn't play in any international tournaments from here until then but I doubt he would do that because outside of being born here he didn't really spend much time in the US until these past few years with the Flyers. He considers himself a Canadian & rightfully so.
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Coots has been our best player so far this series. I'm so excited to see how much better he can get in the next few years (offensively speaking).

I can easily tell Coots has upped his intensity for these playoffs!

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"And Couturier clears the zone!"

I love hearing that again and again on the PK

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Couturier has been our best forward all series long, but what is surprising is how much he is using his size. Just watch how he protects the puck with his body and positions himself to brace contact without losing control of the puck.

But the thing that gets me is that when he first entered the league as a young lad, he never wanted to get into any after-the-whistle altercations. Understanding. He was a 19 year old kid not yet built into his frame. Hockey code means nobody went after him, and he never went after anyone. However, all series long and especially at the end of the 1st period of this game, he never shied away and was pretty aggressive against Staal and Hagelin.

I like this kid. He's going to be a Bergeron or Towes type of center. He has the hockey sense.

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