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04-03-2014, 08:02 PM
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What a joke of a post. Seriously. WOW... Did you watch the sens game when subban went through the whole team and tru philips and karlsson causing a sens penalty?

Then 3 assists in 5 minutes to tie the game? Amazing composure with 0.3 seconds left passing it to desharnais instead of shooting when everybody was thinking shoot? You have no ****in idea wtf ur talking about, find another sport.
Yeah, he's a superstar. The Stanley Cup is ours. No question about it.

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04-03-2014, 08:28 PM
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Yeah, he's a superstar. The Stanley Cup is ours. No question about it.
24 years old, already a Norris trophy, 3rd in points for dmen in entire nhl on a horrible offensive team with a leash on his back. I'd say he's doing fine? If you want the cup, bring in a couple more superstars like Subban and then you have a chance. And a better coach who doesn't punish players like they're in elementary after eveyr mistake.

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04-03-2014, 10:51 PM
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mmmm. Doesn't look like a bad skater who can't rush up the ice with the puck and lacks vision to me. I'll need to watch more closely in future. I'll snort some of Colombia's finest as well beforehand, to make sure I know what I'm seeing.

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04-03-2014, 11:04 PM
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24 years old, already a Norris trophy, 3rd in points for dmen in entire nhl on a horrible offensive team with a leash on his back. I'd say he's doing fine? If you want the cup, bring in a couple more superstars like Subban and then you have a chance. And a better coach who doesn't punish players like they're in elementary after eveyr mistake.
Trying to break him...
PK clearly loves the game and is at his best when he expresses that on the ice.
Take that away from him and you kill his spirit.
I hope MB is proud of his staff.

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04-04-2014, 12:17 AM
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The PK jock riding on HFboards is like nothing I have seen. I am on other boards and they can actually say PK has D issues. Here you just get shouted down as 1 racist or 2 not a habsfan. He won the norris because it was a short season, Karlsson was out, others didn't have the best of years either. There is no way I put PK in the same league as Chelios, Lidstrom, Bourque, MacInnis, Leetch or even Coffey. Sorry he just isn't. Maybe in 10 years from now we can look back at a really good career, but thats what norris winners look like. Randy Carlyle won it when he was 24 years old, but really would didn't go on to be as great as some of these other on that list. Hell Rob Blake had a damn fine year and barely won it once even while winning the Hart the same year.

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04-04-2014, 05:22 AM
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The PK jock riding on HFboards is like nothing I have seen. I am on other boards and they can actually say PK has D issues. Here you just get shouted down as 1 racist or 2 not a habsfan. He won the norris because it was a short season, Karlsson was out, others didn't have the best of years either. There is no way I put PK in the same league as Chelios, Lidstrom, Bourque, MacInnis, Leetch or even Coffey. Sorry he just isn't. Maybe in 10 years from now we can look back at a really good career, but thats what norris winners look like. Randy Carlyle won it when he was 24 years old, but really would didn't go on to be as great as some of these other on that list. Hell Rob Blake had a damn fine year and barely won it once even while winning the Hart the same year.
It astounds me that they aren't calling him Doug Harvey on the other boards:sarcasm

Do you honestly think we don't realize that PK's being awarded The Norris was just another diabolical plot by the league, it's board of cronies, and the out of town media to lull Montreal, it's fan base and the club itself, into a false sense of security about PK's play while at the same time forcing us to pay 8 M for A 4 M asset.

You can't possibly be a Habs fan...

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04-04-2014, 05:34 AM
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PK like all players has good and bad sides to his game, however in his case the good in his game dwarfs the bad, sure he sometimes takes too much risk for my liking, but that's what makes him great. Bad reads and plays are going to happen, because that's in the very nature of this sport and it's what makes it so great to watch, no one is flawless, Orr screwed up from time to time, I've seen Bourque look silly on occasions, then you have Leetch, Big Bird, Coffey etc, but all of them most of the time had a guy behind the bench who knew that them playing the way they were gives his team the best chance to win hockey games.

I just want him to get a steady partner who can hang back and let him play his game.

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04-04-2014, 05:44 AM
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PK like all players has good and bad sides to his game, however in his case the good in his game dwarfs the bad, sure he sometimes takes too much risk for my liking, but that's what makes him great. Bad reads and plays are going to happen, because that's in the very nature of this sport and it's what makes it so great to watch, no one is flawless, Orr screwed up from time to time, I've seen Bourque look silly on occasions, then you have Leetch, Big Bird, Coffey etc, but all of them most of the time had a guy behind the bench who knew that them playing the way they were gives his team the best chance to win hockey games.

I just want him to get a steady partner who can hang back and let him play his game.
Good Hockey can be taught.
Particularly the D side of the game.
when you look at young players/talent you always try to determine what qualities they posses
(god given) and in what measure. Unfortunately PK is not being taught a damn thing.
We are too fn busy trying to knock those qualities out of him.

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04-04-2014, 05:45 AM
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The PK jock riding on HFboards is like nothing I have seen. I am on other boards and they can actually say PK has D issues. Here you just get shouted down as 1 racist or 2 not a habsfan. He won the norris because it was a short season, Karlsson was out, others didn't have the best of years either. There is no way I put PK in the same league as Chelios, Lidstrom, Bourque, MacInnis, Leetch or even Coffey. Sorry he just isn't. Maybe in 10 years from now we can look back at a really good career, but thats what norris winners look like. Randy Carlyle won it when he was 24 years old, but really would didn't go on to be as great as some of these other on that list. Hell Rob Blake had a damn fine year and barely won it once even while winning the Hart the same year.
So you're saying the Norris win didn't count. Got ya.

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Good Hockey can be taught.
Particularly the D side of the game.
when you look at young players/talent you always try to determine what qualities they posses
(god given) and in what measure. Unfortunately PK is not being taught a damn thing.
We are too fn busy trying to knock those qualities out of him.
Yes it can be taught and they should work with him on things like gap control, playing the body effectively etc, but lets face it our coaches aren't doing it and it's tough to improve when the coach doesn't trust you and punishes you every time you make a mistake. Playing in fear of making a mistake is the worst thing that can happen to a player, so PK is at times playing timidly which in turn makes him less productive. You have to find a balance as a coach between keeping your players accountable and letting them play to their strengths, MT IMHO isn't capable of doing that.

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04-04-2014, 02:11 PM
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The PK jock riding on HFboards is like nothing I have seen. I am on other boards and they can actually say PK has D issues. Here you just get shouted down as 1 racist or 2 not a habsfan. He won the norris because it was a short season, Karlsson was out, others didn't have the best of years either. There is no way I put PK in the same league as Chelios, Lidstrom, Bourque, MacInnis, Leetch or even Coffey. Sorry he just isn't. Maybe in 10 years from now we can look back at a really good career, but thats what norris winners look like. Randy Carlyle won it when he was 24 years old, but really would didn't go on to be as great as some of these other on that list. Hell Rob Blake had a damn fine year and barely won it once even while winning the Hart the same year.
The thing with PK Subban is that he was once the best D-man in the NHL, and now he isn't. We're just trying to figure things out, it also doesn't mean that he will never reach a higher level with his progression.

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PK will learn from the sage Cube

Do not like that pairing.

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The PK jock riding on HFboards is like nothing I have seen. I am on other boards and they can actually say PK has D issues. Here you just get shouted down as 1 racist or 2 not a habsfan. He won the norris because it was a short season, Karlsson was out, others didn't have the best of years either. There is no way I put PK in the same league as Chelios, Lidstrom, Bourque, MacInnis, Leetch or even Coffey. Sorry he just isn't. Maybe in 10 years from now we can look back at a really good career, but thats what norris winners look like. Randy Carlyle won it when he was 24 years old, but really would didn't go on to be as great as some of these other on that list. Hell Rob Blake had a damn fine year and barely won it once even while winning the Hart the same year.
Even Coffey? From this writer's perspective of having the privilege of watching NHL players since the early 1950's, I would place Coffey among the handful of the greatest players who have ever played this game. It's interesting to note that the strongest memory I have of Coffey was not seeing him in a game but at a practice. It was 1984 and my job required me to be in Montreal at the same time that 1984 Canada Cup was being held. It was also a job that allowed me access to most sport venues and through this access I was invited to watch Team Russia and Team Canada practice at the Old (but renovated) Montreal Forum for the upcoming hockey showdown. The Russians practiced first. Interestingly, very few Team Canada players deigned to watch. Once the Russians had finished, it was Team Canada's turn. As opposed to the Canadian players, the entire Russian team, coaches and players , stayed to watch the Canadian players practice. I was sitting maybe 4 or 5 rows behind the Russian team with some venerable sports writers. It was remarkable to see who the Russians focused on. Their eyes were glued to Coffey as he zoomed effortlessly around the ice. It was funny to watch their collective heads move in a synchronized mass as they followed Coffey skate around the ice. You could only wonder what they were thinking. I have seen most of the great defencemen of the past 60 years: Harvey, Gatsby, Baun , Stanley, Horton, Orr, Park, the Big Three, Salming, Bourque and on and on. For my money, Coffey was as good, if not better than all of them.

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the playoff will be interesting

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I try to sell nothing but my observations as to a player's abilities. Readers can accept it or not. In my view from watching hockey for over six decades, Subban's lack of elite straight-line speed will always limit his effectiveness. He's way too easy to forecheck, has limited recovery speed and will never be able to consistently control the flow of play. This is not a player that I would be paying $8 million dollars a year for.
For over 6 decades? You've been watching hockey for over 60 years?
I find that hard to believe as the 1st tv broadcast was 62 years ago (1952), I doubt you remember anything between the ages of 2-5 if you were born around that time.

My pops was born in 1941, and doesn't even make that claim.

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The thing with PK Subban is that he was once the best D-man in the NHL, and now he isn't. We're just trying to figure things out, it also doesn't mean that he will never reach a higher level with his progression.
He has never been The Best D-Man in the NHL, only if you count half seasons with the previous norris winner being injured almost the entire time.
SO stubborn around here. Is pk super talented, no one has said otherwise. Does he make brain cramps, hell yes and ones that he shouldn't at this level. That is the discussion.

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