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04-02-2014, 01:00 PM
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I think if we're picking 6-7 my rankings are

1. Dal Colle
2. Draisaitl
3. Ehlers
4. Nylander

if We're picking 8-10
1. Ehlers
2. Nylander
3. Ritchie
4. Kapanen
I think he'll be gone by the time our GM (whoever it is) turns on the mic

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latest my NHL draft has us picking ritchie at 9 Ehlers is at 6.

I think if Ehlers is still available we take him.

My updated draft board

1. Ehlers
2. Draisatl
3. DalColle
4. Nylander
5. Ritchie

Do not want any part of Perlini, Fluery, or Virtanen
Like it. Might take Ritchie at 6 actually.

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04-02-2014, 05:37 PM
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I think he'll be gone by the time our GM (whoever it is) turns on the mic
Probably, but no one really expected Seth Jones to fall all the way to 4 last year either.

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I'm hoping the draft gets overrated and the Preds trade their pick for a roster improvement.

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04-03-2014, 10:29 AM
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Would you guys want Gagner + for the 7th overall pick ?

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Would you guys want Gagner + for the 7th overall pick ?
Not really. What about Eberle for 6th pick seems reasonable

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Would you guys want Gagner + for the 7th overall pick ?
First thought, eh...not enough.

After review of the stats, what's the plus?

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04-03-2014, 11:28 AM
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Would you guys want Gagner + for the 7th overall pick ?
Unless it's a rather large plus, we pass easily.

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Yep...count me in on the "No" train. With that contract, I'd do a 3rd/4th liner straight up. Spaling maybe. If salary is retained (half), I'd do a 2nd + Spals.

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04-03-2014, 01:38 PM
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I'm hoping the draft gets overrated and the Preds trade their pick for a roster improvement.
After all the talk of "the only way to get those elitish type of players is through the draft" ... sure thing

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04-04-2014, 04:11 PM
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We've drafted 146 players in our history. Here they are:

Seth Jones
Jonathan Diaby
Felix Girard
Juuse Saros
Saku Maenalanen
Teemu Kivihalme
Emil Pettersson
Tommy Veilleux
Wade Murphy
Janne Juvonen

Pontus Aberg
Colton Sissons
Jimmy Vesey
Brendan Leipsic
Zach Stepan
Mikko Vainonen
Simon Fernholm
Max Gortz
Marek Mazanec

Magnus Hellberg
Miikka Salomaki
Josh Shalla
Garrett Noonan
Simon Karlsson
Chase Balisy
Brent Andrews

Austin Watson
Taylor Aronson
Patrick Cehlin
Anthony Bitetto
David Elsner
Joonas Rask

Ryan Ellis
Zach Budish
Charles-Olivier Roussel
Taylor Beck
Michael Latta
Craig Smith
Mattias Ekholm
Nick Oliver
Gabriel Bourque
Cam Reid

Colin Wilson
Chet Pickard
Roman Josi
Taylor Stefishen
Jeff Foss
Jani Lajunen
Anders Lindback

Jonathon Blum
Jeremy Smith
Nick Spaling
Ryan Thang
Ben Ryan
Mark Santorelli
Andreas Thuresson
Robert Dietrich
Atte Engren

Blake Geoffrion
Niko Snellman
Mark Dekanich
Ryan Flynn
Viktor Sjodin

Ryan Parent
Teemu Laakso
Cody Franson
Cal O'Reilly
Ryan Maki
Scott Todd
Patric Hornqvist

Alexander Radulov
Vaclav Meidl
Nick Fugere
Kyle Moir
Janne Niskala
Mike Santorelli
Kevin Schaeffer
Stanislav Balan
Denis Kulyash
Pekka Rinne
Craig Switzer

Ryan Suter
Konstantin Glazachev
Kevin Klein
Shea Weber
Richard Stehlik
Paul Brown
Alexander Sulzer
Grigory Shafigulin
Teemu Lassila
Rustam Sidikov
Andrei Mukhachev
Miroslav Hanuljak
Lauris Darzins

Scottie Upshall
Brandon Segal
Patrick Jarrett
Mike McKenna
Josh Morrow
Kaleb Betts
Matt Davis
Steven Spencer

Dan Hamhuis
Timofei Shishkanov
Tomas Slovak
Denis Platonov
Oliver Setzinger
Jordin Tootoo
Anton Lavrentiev
Gustav Grasberg
Mikko Lehtonen

Scott Hartnell
Daniel Widing
Mattias Nilsson
Libor Pivko
Matt Hendricks
Mike Stuart
Matt Koalska
Tomas Harant
Zbynek Irgl
Jure Penko
Mats Christeen
Martin Hohener

Brian Finley
Jonas Andersson
Adam Hall
Andrew Hutchinson
Ed Hill
Jan Lasak
Brett Angel
Yevgeny Pavlov
Alexandre Krevsun
Konstantin Panov
Timo Helbling
Martin Erat
Kyle Kettles
Miroslav Durak
Darren Haydar

David Legwand
Denis Arkhipov
Geoff Koch
Kent Sauer
Martin Beauchesne
Craig Brunel
Martin Bartek
Karlis Skrastins

Now come up with the top forwards based on what they've done in the NHL, whether it's for us or another team:

Hartnell
Legwand
Erat
Hornquist
Upshall
Radulov
Arkhipov
Smith
Wilson

Now stop and look at that list. It's mind-blowing we've been drafting since 1998 and haven't produced one all star forward with maybe the exception of Hartnell, and he's borderline. An entire generation of forwards have come into the league since 1998 and this is our top list.

This organization can not draft and develop forwards. Period.

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04-04-2014, 04:48 PM
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That's pathetic.

Yeah, it's time to clean the slate.

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After all the talk of "the only way to get those elitish type of players is through the draft" ... sure thing
I'm not sold on this draft. I have feeling this May be a similar draft compared to the Legwand draft. For about 3 years scouts were going this was a weak draft, then the hype machine turned on and values went up. I believe Preds window of opertunity is about to open this up coming year and a rookie won't fix that. I would like to see the pick traded with a roster wing for an upgrade at forward.

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Hard to argue with that.

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I'm not sold on this draft. I have feeling this May be a similar draft compared to the Legwand draft. For about 3 years scouts were going this was a weak draft, then the hype machine turned on and values went up. I believe Preds window of opertunity is about to open this up coming year and a rookie won't fix that. I would like to see the pick traded with a roster wing for an upgrade at forward.
Its a year late to trade the 1st round pick for immediate help. Best cast now would to be package our pick with Detroit's and one of our defensive forwards ion hopes of getting a youngish top 6 type player.

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04-04-2014, 05:52 PM
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After all the talk of "the only way to get those elitish type of players is through the draft" ... sure thing
I don't agree with that...

Sharks traded for Thornton
TOR traded for Kessel
PIT traded for Neal
DAL traded for Seguin
CHI traded for Sharp

Problem is we haven't be able to draft, or trade for offensive talent.

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04-04-2014, 06:54 PM
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BTW, not to switch subjects but I was looking at the AHL stats of all these young studs Detroit has called up this year. None of them let up the AHL and most were in their 20's when they got the call for the NHL.

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So there's hope for Forsberg and Jankrok.

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And once again draft approximation gets a chance to show itself.

Review: every player has an "approximate draft value", based upon the year he was selected and the number of NHL regular season games per team that have been played since he was selected. Simple explanation: Sidney Crosby was drafted in 2005; he played in 470 games through 2013; the Pens have played in 622 games since then; his Approximate Draft Value is .7556. When combined with other players over a long period of time (or a large population of players within one draft or for one team), you can "approximate" the number of NHL-level talent that has been drafted - by a team, at a particular draft position, or within a single draft.

You can also break down players by Position. From 1988-2012, the average ADV for an NHL team selecting defensemen is 6.2546; for forwards it's 13.0112; for goalies it's .9804. (Translation: over the last 25 drafts prior to a completed season, the average NHL team drafted 13 forwards, 6 defensemen and one goaltender.)

On a per-player-selected basis, Nashville is sixth overall over the last 25 years with D-men (.1136 ADV per pick; just behind the Islanders and just ahead of Ottawa).

In terms of forwards, Nashville is middle-of-the-pack, averaging .1115 per forward pick, just ahead of Buffalo and - ironically - just behind Pittsburgh.

So yeah, we're better at selecting D-men than we are forwards, but we're just "average" at selecting forwards.

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And once again draft approximation gets a chance to show itself.

Review: every player has an "approximate draft value", based upon the year he was selected and the number of NHL regular season games per team that have been played since he was selected. Simple explanation: Sidney Crosby was drafted in 2005; he played in 470 games through 2013; the Pens have played in 622 games since then; his Approximate Draft Value is .7556. When combined with other players over a long period of time (or a large population of players within one draft or for one team), you can "approximate" the number of NHL-level talent that has been drafted - by a team, at a particular draft position, or within a single draft.

You can also break down players by Position. From 1988-2012, the average ADV for an NHL team selecting defensemen is 6.2546; for forwards it's 13.0112; for goalies it's .9804. (Translation: over the last 25 drafts prior to a completed season, the average NHL team drafted 13 forwards, 6 defensemen and one goaltender.)

On a per-player-selected basis, Nashville is sixth overall over the last 25 years with D-men (.1136 ADV per pick; just behind the Islanders and just ahead of Ottawa).

In terms of forwards, Nashville is middle-of-the-pack, averaging .1115 per forward pick, just ahead of Buffalo and - ironically - just behind Pittsburgh.

So yeah, we're better at selecting D-men than we are forwards, but we're just "average" at selecting forwards.
Do you have a website or something with this info handy? Kind of curious.

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BTW, not to switch subjects but I was looking at the AHL stats of all these young studs Detroit has called up this year. None of them let up the AHL and most were in their 20's when they got the call for the NHL.
Nyqvist scored over a PPG his first year in the AHL. That's not setting the world on fire, but the last person that did that for us his first year in the AHL was Radulov I believe.

I'm not familiar with the other Detroit guys, but they aren't putting up the NHL numbers like him.

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Do you have a website or something with this info handy? Kind of curious.
Every year, after the draft, I go back to hockeyreference.com and go back through the various drafts. It is a bit difficult, because the numbers move every year, but Excel makes it easier.

Right now, the numbers I have are from 1988-2012, since the 2013 draft players' season has (technically) not completed yet. It also really doesn't have much meaning for newer players until two-three years have passed.

Of the 6,270 picks that have been made since 1988, the average ADV is .0969. The total ADV of the NHL is 607.387 over the last 25 years.

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And once again draft approximation gets a chance to show itself.

Review: every player has an "approximate draft value", based upon the year he was selected and the number of NHL regular season games per team that have been played since he was selected. Simple explanation: Sidney Crosby was drafted in 2005; he played in 470 games through 2013; the Pens have played in 622 games since then; his Approximate Draft Value is .7556. When combined with other players over a long period of time (or a large population of players within one draft or for one team), you can "approximate" the number of NHL-level talent that has been drafted - by a team, at a particular draft position, or within a single draft.

You can also break down players by Position. From 1988-2012, the average ADV for an NHL team selecting defensemen is 6.2546; for forwards it's 13.0112; for goalies it's .9804. (Translation: over the last 25 drafts prior to a completed season, the average NHL team drafted 13 forwards, 6 defensemen and one goaltender.)

On a per-player-selected basis, Nashville is sixth overall over the last 25 years with D-men (.1136 ADV per pick; just behind the Islanders and just ahead of Ottawa).

In terms of forwards, Nashville is middle-of-the-pack, averaging .1115 per forward pick, just ahead of Buffalo and - ironically - just behind Pittsburgh.

So yeah, we're better at selecting D-men than we are forwards, but we're just "average" at selecting forwards.
Some would say these stats bear out a criticism of Poiles forward drafting, namely that he chooses "safe" players who are more likely to make the NHL but less likely to be a big time talent

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Tatar (who has 19 goals in his rookie NHL season and looks like a really good NHL player) didn't put up ppg AHL numbers.

Nyquist did hit just at ppg numbers in the AHL but looks like an NHL star.

Sheahan also looks like he's going to be a good NHLer and never put up huge AHL numbers.

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Tatar (who has 19 goals in his rookie NHL season and looks like a really good NHL player) didn't put up ppg AHL numbers.

Nyquist did hit just at ppg numbers in the AHL but looks like an NHL star.

Sheahan also looks like he's going to be a good NHLer and never put up huge AHL numbers.
It is called player development. Players are learning to play offense and not be "two-way" players (which is Trotz speak for "they can play defense but better never try to score until I say so")

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