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02-28-2007, 02:04 PM
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I'm kinda surprised at the number of fans here quoting stats to say that Smyth isn't worth 5.5m+. You'd think that canadian hockey fans that are supposed to understand the game would know that there is a lot more to a player's value than what mere stats would indicate. The market is what the market is and Smyth WILL be offered more than 5.5m come july 1st. And it won't be just one team with an insane owner doing it. There will be 30 teams lining up to do it, yes, including the Oilers. Do you think 30 GMs know less than you do about Smyth's value? Not only was Smyth leading the Oilers in points at better than a point-per-game clip, think about how many goals he created that he didn't get points on just b/c of the havoc he created in front of the net. Who do you think makes the Oiler PP work? What do you think is the value of a player that never, ever, gives up? There are soft points and there are hard points, and all of Smyth's are hard. That's why his 70 pts a year are worth a softer player's 90-100 pts a year. Beyond that, there is the message that this deal sends out. It is dishonouring the very tradition that Messier spoke about last night. The Oilers still had a chance to make the playoffs. Yes, not a very good one. However, we aren't Phoenix, or Florida, or even Toronto. We are an institution that is not supposed to give up, ever. Yeah, it's extremely unlikely that we'd have made the playoffs this year even with Smyth, but the young players and prospects and every future Oiler, would learn that the Oiler institution never, ever, gives up. By not signing Smyth, Lowe is essentially saying that sometimes it's ok to quit.

Lowe's mistake was not the trade itself. He did good once that decision was made. The mistake was not signing a player that deserved loyalty. I can accept that the price was too high to pick up a puck-moving defenceman this year or there wasn't a good deal to shake up an underachieving forward corps and that Lowe did as good as he could there. I can't accept that there was not a deal to be had here with Smyth. Maybe it was that they just ran out of time to negotiate it. Well, who's fault is that? Instead of waiting the last 10 days before the deadline to get serious, Lowe might have kept negotiations open through the start of the season? I mean, this is a guy that SHOULD have been the next Oiler captain in a long tradition of great captains. It's a tragedy that won't happen now. This is a guy that took hometown discounts for years because of HIS loyalty to the team. Yeah, maybe 6m is steep but, basically, it's market value and Lowe repaid Smyth's loyalty by not even respecting him with an offer of his market value.

Gretzky and Messir both were quick to defend their old friend Lowe, but I disagree with them, too. Yes, all 3 of them were Oiler icons that were traded. Does that mean it was right and that's it fine to continue trading Oiler icons? IMHO Gretzky, Messier and Lowe SHOULDN'T have had to be traded. The 'New NHL' was supposed to allow small market teams like the Oilers to hang onto their stars. Smyth should have been an Oiler forever, as Gretzky, Messier and Lowe should have been but that system didn't allow it. The failure yesterday was not the system, this time. It was a failure on the part of Oilers management, who don't have the imagination to recognize that player loyalty can be rewarded in the new system and that rewarding loyal players can reap benefits long after that player has retired. If they sow loyalty, they will reap loyalty.

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02-28-2007, 05:18 PM
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Crossed fingers wait-&-hope negotiating style because delay might lead to cheap!!!!!!

I am one of many, a great many of Oilers supporters who forked over for tickets and purchases Oilers' Vision PPV packages, who shops for merchandise at the Oilerss' store, and whose grandchildren attended the Oilers skills competition. I am not happy that Kevin Lowe was unable to sign Ryan Smith. Not that is wasn't the right decision financially, but that not-Oh-NO!-K-Slow was out-foxed yet again (unless Ryan is really only a rental and signs for a reasonalbe amount after commencement of the UFA draft much like Doug Weight did with St. Louis - you do remember Doug Weight).

However, this problem didn't start ten days before the trade deadline, the problem is with the culture of an organization that continues to be outclassed. The ongoing, ingrained, hicktown, discount mentality that polutes our Podunk Pundits of BrainRust, the Oilers management who have turned over the advantage when in positions of strength, on so may occassions, it is time for a complete housecleaning.

This organization has made and continues makes hugh financial errors, continually grasping at bargain basement last straws like Petr Nedved. Hail Mary craps shoots which almost lost us the valuable player asset in the person of Reasoner via waivers. Yes who can forget the Dopita Debacle that result in U$1,000,000.00 pay to go-away dispursement.

Missing hockey and/or the palyoffs for 4 of the last 5 years was a hugh price to pay for one lucky postseason streak in the last 17 years. Who can forget the Adam Oates pickup that feathered his already in progress retirement. We have truly been WOWED in the recent past by the astute overall General Management wizardry from within Oilers offices so shore up our team.

Despite for having a good playoff run, Peca's 3.5 Million US salary was a regular season financial sinkhole. Pronger's play improved after Christmas last year but wasn't the Franchise Savior who was supposed to ensure we would easily land a higher than 8th place standings playoff berth. Wthout a Canuck's meltdown last year the Oilers wouldn't have backed into the playoffs period. Only because of 3 unlucky Stevie-Y bad bounces (2 goalposts and 1 crossbar clunks), and a Thorton Ping-off in double overtime, and a game where Smytty lost his teeth, the Copper & Blue improbable drive would have died.

Let's not forget the Comrie Calamity, and that big sore "toe drag" resulting in the loss of Tod Marchant. Mike Greer gone to overpay for Mikey's being coddled on the job while raking in a hugh Nanny McFee compensation as the result of Lowe being taken to the bonuses payout cleaners. Then KSlow let the negoitaing agenda be set and dictated by a cleverer player's agent.

My Prongers analysis of Lowes over-reaction and accommodation for a undeserving slimey elite player I've made in other threads. It is enough to say that the sequences chosen by thei organization for dealing with crucial player asset mangement was an abysmal failure. Dealing and signing Ryan Symth for 5 years at 5 million early last summer should have been the 1st order of business, then tieing up Hemsky, Horcoff, Moreau, and Pisani.

Putting Pronger on hold and choosing when, where, and how to address Chrissy-boy's contractural difficulties should of come last. Why? Because that fool was signed on the dotted line and noway was he or his whiney wife going to forgo $6.25 MILLION AMERICAN DOLLARS BY NOT PLAYING. Putting the responsibility, the onus, back onto Pronger & his agent to search out the best deal for the Oilers would have been the best, the only smart strategy. Kevin Lowe got bamboozled and Punked-out like some fish at a high stakes Hold'em cash game. He was bluffed-out of his jock and left embarrassed in the cheeky cold looking for a mourning after pill - shaking his befuddled head.

Afraid to take any more butt-kickings, our intrepid GM reverted back that KOed warriors fog of non-engagement. ACT NOT, and FAIL NOT pubically! After all he'd was seen by many, to be the big winner, when caught between a Larraque, No-Trade, lost clause, and a BG Contract (offered at a big discount our beloved bruiser) and hadn't he prevailed in that hard Rock confrontation - hadn't he sent that no value guy packing. He had certainly given nothing away there, and in retospect how anyone could be prospect picky about that non-transaction just addles the brainstem! Imagine his buddy Gretz signing him, getting value, then getting Big Georges to waive his No-Trade clause, get a rental done for returned value. Man how do over GMs do that?


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I am one of many, a great many of Oilers supporters who forked over for tickets and purchases Oilers' Vision PPV packages, who shops for merchandise at the Oilerss' store, and whose grandchildren attended the Oilers skills competition. I am not happy that Kevin Lowe was unable to sign Ryan Smith. Not that is wasn't the right decision financially, but that not-Oh-NO!-K-Slow was out-foxed yet again (unless Ryan is really only a rental and signs for a reasonalbe amount after commencement of the UFA draft much like Doug Weight did with St. Louis - you do remember Doug Weight).

However, this problem didn't start ten days before the trade deadline, the problem is with the culture of an organization that continues to be outclassed. The ongoing, ingrained, hicktown, discount mentality that polutes our Podunk Pundits of BrainRust, the Oilers management who have turned over the advantage when in positions of strength, on so may occassions, it is time for a complete housecleaning.

This organization has made and continues makes hugh financial errors, continually grasping at bargain basement last straws like Petr Nedved. Hail Mary craps shoots which almost lost us the valuable player asset in the person of Reasoner via waivers. Yes who can forget the Dopita Debacle that result in U$1,000,000.00 pay to go-away dispursement.

Missing hockey and/or the palyoffs for 4 of the last 5 years was a hugh price to pay for one lucky postseason streak in the last 17 years. Who can forget the Adam Oates pickup that feathered his already in progress retirement. We have truly been WOWED in the recent past by the astute overall General Management wizardry from within Oilers offices so shore up our team.

Despite for having a good playoff run, Peca's 3.5 Million US salary was a regular season financial sinkhole. Pronger's play improved after Christmas last year but wasn't the Franchise Savior who was supposed to ensure we would easily land a higher than 8th place standings playoff berth. Wthout a Canuck's meltdown last year the Oilers wouldn't have backed into the playoffs period. Only because of 3 unlucky Stevie-Y bad bounces (2 goalposts and 1 crossbar clunks), and a Thorton Ping-off in double overtime, and a game where Smytty lost his teeth, the Copper & Blue improbable drive would have died.

Let's not forget the Comrie Calamity, and that big sore "toe drag" resulting in the loss of Tod Marchant. Mike Greer gone to overpay for Mikey's being coddled on the job while raking in a hugh Nanny McFee compensation as the result of Lowe being taken to the bonuses payout cleaners. Then KSlow let the negoitaing agenda be set and dictated by a cleverer player's agent.

My Prongers analysis of Lowes over-reaction and accommodation for a undeserving slimey elite player I've made in other threads. It is enough to say that the sequences chosen by thei organization for dealing with crucial player asset mangement was an abysmal failure. Dealing and signing Ryan Symth for 5 years at 5 million early last summer should have been the 1st order of business, then tieing up Hemsky, Horcoff, Moreau, and Pisani.

Putting Pronger on hold and choosing when, where, and how to address Chrissy-boy's contractural difficulties should of come last. Why? Because that fool was signed on the dotted line and noway was he or his whiney wife going to forgo $6.25 MILLION AMERICAN DOLLARS BY NOT PLAYING. Putting the responsibility, the onus, back onto Pronger & his agent to search out the best deal for the Oilers would have been the best, the only smart strategy. Kevin Lowe got bamboozled and Punked-out like some fish at a high stakes Hold'em cash game. He was bluffed-out of his jock and left embarrassed in the cheeky cold looking for a mourning after pill - shaking his befuddled head.

Afraid to take any more butt-kickings, our intrepid GM reverted back that KOed warriors fog of non-engagement. ACT NOT, and FAIL NOT pubically! After all he'd was seen by many, to be the big winner, when caught between a Larraque, No-Trade, lost clause, and a BG Contract (offered at a big discount our beloved bruiser) and hadn't he prevailed in that hard Rock confrontation - hadn't he sent that no value guy packing. He had certainly given nothing away there, and in retospect how anyone could be prospect picky about that non-transaction just addles the brainstem! Imagine his buddy Gretz signing him, getting value, then getting Big Georges to waive his No-Trade clause, get a rental done for returned value. Man how do over GMs do that?
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