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04-14-2014, 04:01 AM
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They made it in a lockout shortened season, where the flyers didn't make it and Columbus fell short. Those two teams are better than TML and so are the rest of the playoff teams.
Leafs didn't make the playoffs last season because it was a shortened season, they made the playoffs because last year they played better as a team. Columbus didn't make it last year because they weren't as good. The signing of Nathan Horton and the development of players like, Boone Jenner, Ryan Johansen, and Ryan Murray put Columbus into the playoffs this season.

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Clarkson for a Half Eaten Rotten Potato and a bowl of Dog Poop with the Leafs retaining salary.

The Leafs need a blowup and a reevaluation.
Look at who you have and try to get younger. Let Dion walk (correct me if I am wrong but is he not a free agent soon?) and entertain offers for Kessel. Building through free agency does not work unless a solid core is in place and the Leafs do not have that core. Accept that in order to be a top team you have to endure some very rough years. The Pens, Hawks, Blues, and Avs are destined for longer term success. They achieved it through high draft picks and waiting. The Leafs are a strange case, their core is not strong enough to be a playoff and cup contender but far to strong to be a lottery team for a few years which is the path to success many top clubs have taken recently.

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04-14-2014, 05:41 AM
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Clarkson for a Half Eaten Rotten Potato and a bowl of Dog Poop with the Leafs retaining salary.

The Leafs need a blowup and a reevaluation.
Look at who you have and try to get younger. Let Dion walk (correct me if I am wrong but is he not a free agent soon?) and entertain offers for Kessel. Building through free agency does not work unless a solid core is in place and the Leafs do not have that core. Accept that in order to be a top team you have to endure some very rough years. The Pens, Hawks, Blues, and Avs are destined for longer term success. They achieved it through high draft picks and waiting. The Leafs are a strange case, their core is not strong enough to be a playoff and cup contender but far to strong to be a lottery team for a few years which is the path to success many top clubs have taken recently.
-Leafs are one of the youngest teams in the league, not really a need to get any younger
-Dion resigned for 7 mil per 7 years,
-Kessel resigned for 8mil per 8 years, doubt he will be moved this soon

I do agree the core is weak but management won't move the major pieces till the team collapses a few more times.

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04-14-2014, 07:46 AM
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EDM 1st + Gagner + Eberle for Phaneuf + Kessel
That's a very fair deal. I would do it.

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04-14-2014, 09:19 AM
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I wish these would just stop.


The Leafs aren't going to blow it up when we flopped.


We have a core to build around, Phaneuf and Kessel are part of that core.

The last thing Edmonton needs are Kessel and Phaneuf, they will destroy whatever chemistry and heart that is even left there.

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04-14-2014, 09:26 AM
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The last thing Edmonton needs are Kessel and Phaneuf, they will destroy whatever chemistry and heart that is even left there.
Who the hell said anything about them going to Edmonton?

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04-14-2014, 10:20 AM
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That's asking for Kessel, a top prospect and a 1st for Kessel though, that's the thing. Kessel isn't good enough to bring back that kind of return.

I'd do Letang for Kessel though.
He didn't say Kessel for elite top line + top prospect + 1st, he said top liner.

Kessel for Perry ++?? Hell no! But Kessel for ROR++ might be a discussion (espcially if Roy thought he might be able to whip Kessel into actually back-checking)

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I wish these would just stop.


The Leafs aren't going to blow it up when we flopped.


We have a core to build around, Phaneuf and Kessel are part of that core.
It certainly isn't a core they can win with

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04-14-2014, 08:17 PM
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It certainly isn't a core they can win with
the leafs want years of a team that is constantly on the line between playoffs and lottery pick. it's exhilarating for them.

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04-14-2014, 08:17 PM
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I wish these would just stop.


The Leafs aren't going to blow it up when we flopped.


We have a core to build around, Phaneuf and Kessel are part of that core.
Did you ever consider that maybe those two aren't good enough to build around?

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Making fun of his cancer is actually not funny at all.
sister Kessel plays with more grit

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Leaf players:
Phaneuf- 1st+ nhl player
Kessel- 1st ++++
Lupul- late 1st
Reimer-2/3rd
Franson-2nd

Clarkson isnt going anywhere.

Kadri/gardiner/jvr- pay prem (we dont want to trade them)

Rielly/bernier- untouchables

Others:depth players, leafs prolly keep unless people throw a rediculous package at gunnerson or something.
Leafs need to build through the draft and young prospects.

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04-14-2014, 11:18 PM
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As a Leafs fan, this core is flawed and cracked all over. 3 epic collapses in a row is unacceptable. I want to see a complete and utter overhaul, stocking up young talent and tanking for McDavid. Give your best offers....



Phaneuf



Kessel



Lupul


Clarkson (LOL I Know)

Reimer.



what can we get for these guys and how would we look??
way to much going to win in this trade inc salaryjust doesn't work on so many levels

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04-14-2014, 11:26 PM
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Clarkson for a Half Eaten Rotten Potato and a bowl of Dog Poop with the Leafs retaining salary.

The Leafs need a blowup and a reevaluation.
Look at who you have and try to get younger. Let Dion walk (correct me if I am wrong but is he not a free agent soon?) and entertain offers for Kessel. Building through free agency does not work unless a solid core is in place and the Leafs do not have that core. Accept that in order to be a top team you have to endure some very rough years. The Pens, Hawks, Blues, and Avs are destined for longer term success. They achieved it through high draft picks and waiting. The Leafs are a strange case, their core is not strong enough to be a playoff and cup contender but far to strong to be a lottery team for a few years which is the path to success many top clubs have taken recently.
Wow this post actually makes so much sense yet leaf fan are so blinded by the "derp derp derp wee need playoffs" mentality that they cant realize that the only way to build a winner is through the draft, the positives is that we have some good core players already ok the roster that the leafs arent that far away, but there also nowhere close. What a mcdavid/eichel/bennet/reinhart in back to back drafts would do for this franchise rather than the /ritchie/ehlers/nylander type.

Leafs have no core because they have no core pieces who they have developed and drafted who are potentially superstars in the league (exception obvi rielly) but leafs need to draft 3/4 potential superstars and then can lose out on one if he doesnt develop as planned (for example if we got 3 top 3 picks and one only became a 3rd line center tbe other 2 are superstars are core pieces to the franchise)

Ufa/tradea are ok once u build a foundation of drafted/developed talent, where they want to win because thats the organization that they know and grew into the league woth, as well as no core players actually get traded. Aka toews,crosby,bergeron, backes, mackinnon, duchenne because those players are what is required to win, leaf fans, please just realize that trading kessel, phaneuf ect and grabbing prospects who are top 3 talents for next 3 years then have a foundation underneath to win, instead of this bs crap of trading for hammie down core players who other teams didnt want, get rid of this bosyon pressure cause of kessel. I dont ser boston caring to much about losing kessel

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04-15-2014, 12:00 AM
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Did you ever consider that maybe those two aren't good enough to build around?
Did you ever think that a winger who hits a ppg almost every season without a bonafide #1 C would be great to build around, or at least a complimentary piece?

Did you ever think that Kessel isn't the problem?

Did you ever consider that the coaching and system may be more to do with the problem than the actual players?


Just curious.

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