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02-25-2007, 08:42 PM
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The Original Six since expansion

Just glancing at the standings today and doing a little research...

Since the 1967 expansion, by my count, the most original six teams to miss the playoffs was four (1999-2000 and 2000-01).

If the season were to finish today, only the Wings of the group would make it in, so it would be the first time five of them missed the playoffs.

Times continue to change.

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Might be more convenient if 4 of them weren't in the same conference.

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I think there is one Original Six team that has yet to even make it to the Stanley Cup Finals since the 1968 expansion round - for the life of me I cannot quite remember the team

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I think there is one Original Six team that has yet to even make it to the Stanley Cup Finals since the 1968 expansion round - for the life of me I cannot quite remember the team
Wait, I think I know this one! *Raises hand*

The Leafs, right!

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The Original six franchises suck. Detroit and Montreal are probably the only exception but even they haven't gone far since 93.


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The problem is, with such an entrenched fanbase, there is less of a push to earn more.

A team like Nashville is more likely to make a bold move to get their fans excited. While Leafs management know they can sell out everynight no matter how good the team is.

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The Original six franchises suck. Detroit and Montreal are probably the only exception but even they haven't gone far since 93.
Unless you're refering to jsut the Habs, the Wings won the Cup in '97, '98 and '02.

But anyways let's rank the franchises since '67.

#1 Montreal - 10 Cups since then. Hard to argue with that. They havent been a legitimate Cup contender since '93-94 though and even then they might of been out of the top 5 favourites. In '92-93 they were a good team but got lucky with Pittsburgh's dismissal. Anyways from '67-93 they were rock solid.

#2 Boston - You shouldnt wonder why. Yeah I know they havent won since '72 but since then they've made the Cup finals 5 times. From '67-96 they were in the playoffs every year and were legitimate Cup contenders too. In recent years they;ve faltered but jsut recently really.

#3 Detroit - Lately they've been successful but look at the majority of the '70's and 80s. They were brutal. Still three Cups from '9-02 isnt bad.

#4 Chicago - Yeah they havent won a Cup since '61 but other than sketchy times in the mid to late '70s they have been a good team up until about '96. The early to mid '90s could ahve easil produced a Cup.

#5 NYR - One Cup in '94. They werent patsies either from the late '60s to about '75. In the '80s they were modest but never contenders. In '91-92 with Messier they were contenders. The truth is they havent had a team that made a lot of noise since '94. They've been pretty bad - actually very bad - since '97.

#6 Toronto - No Cups, no Cup finals. A decent '70s but a brutal '80s that no one wants to remember. They were a league joke and a national disgrace. It wasnt until '93 that they made any noise. There was a couple of final 4 years and then in the late '90s with Quinn they were arguably Top 5 contenders from '99-'04 every year. But still what looks like a second straight golf season is just sad.

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In other news 14 expansion/merger franchises have yet to win a Stanley cup. For LA and SLB its been 40 years...they are *tied* with the Leafs.

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History has not been kind to the Toronto Maple Leafs. In 1967, they were tied with Montreal for number of cup wins. Since then, Montreal went on to win a bunch of Stanley Cups and the Leafs got Harold Ballard. They definitely have the least to show for in terms of titles and cup finals.

Post expansion has actually been pretty hard on a lot of the franchises:

The Toronto Maple Leafs have been sub .500 18 times
The Chicago Blackhawks have been sub .500 15 times
The New York Rangers have been sub .500 16 times
The Detroit Red Wings, depsite their cups, have been -.500 a whopping 19 times in 40 odd years, including a 14 year stretch of minus .500 hockey. They were definitely the worst of the worst more than the other franchises, but made up for it by being the best of the best since 1995.

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Here is some statistical data: an 'Original Six' franchise / regular season cumulative performance / number of Cup Finals / number of Cups.

Early Era (from each franchise respective year of NHL debut until 1941/42 season)

BOS / .599 / 5 / 3
NYR / .564 / 6 / 3
TOR / .544 /10 / 4
MON / .509 / 5 / 3
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DET / .484 / 5 / 2
CHI / .447 / 3 / 2


Original Six Era (1942/43 - 1966/67)

MON / .610 /16 /10
DET / .565 /13 / 5
TOR / .531 /11 / 9
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CHI / .444 / 4 / 1
BOS / .438 / 5 / -
NYR / .412 / 1 / -


Post Original Six Expansion Era (1967/68 - 2005/06)

MON / .607 /11 /10
BOS / .600 / 7 / 2
NYR / .530 / 3 / 1
CHI / .519 / 3 / -
DET / .514 / 4 / 3
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TOR / .485 / - / -

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History has not been kind to the Toronto Maple Leafs. In 1967, they were tied with Montreal for number of cup wins. Since then, Montreal went on to win a bunch of Stanley Cups and the Leafs got Harold Ballard. They definitely have the least to show for in terms of titles and cup finals.

Post expansion has actually been pretty hard on a lot of the franchises:

The Toronto Maple Leafs have been sub .500 18 times
The Chicago Blackhawks have been sub .500 15 times
The New York Rangers have been sub .500 16 times
The Detroit Red Wings, depsite their cups, have been -.500 a whopping 19 times in 40 odd years, including a 14 year stretch of minus .500 hockey. They were definitely the worst of the worst more than the other franchises, but made up for it by being the best of the best since 1995.
Before Stevie Y arrived the popular nickname for the team was "The Dead Things"

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Unless you're refering to jsut the Habs, the Wings won the Cup in '97, '98 and '02.

But anyways let's rank the franchises since '67.

#1 Montreal - 10 Cups since then. Hard to argue with that. They havent been a legitimate Cup contender since '93-94 though and even then they might of been out of the top 5 favourites. In '92-93 they were a good team but got lucky with Pittsburgh's dismissal. Anyways from '67-93 they were rock solid.

#2 Boston - You shouldnt wonder why. Yeah I know they havent won since '72 but since then they've made the Cup finals 5 times. From '67-96 they were in the playoffs every year and were legitimate Cup contenders too. In recent years they;ve faltered but jsut recently really.

#3 Detroit - Lately they've been successful but look at the majority of the '70's and 80s. They were brutal. Still three Cups from '9-02 isnt bad.

#4 Chicago - Yeah they havent won a Cup since '61 but other than sketchy times in the mid to late '70s they have been a good team up until about '96. The early to mid '90s could ahve easil produced a Cup.

#5 NYR - One Cup in '94. They werent patsies either from the late '60s to about '75. In the '80s they were modest but never contenders. In '91-92 with Messier they were contenders. The truth is they havent had a team that made a lot of noise since '94. They've been pretty bad - actually very bad - since '97.

#6 Toronto - No Cups, no Cup finals. A decent '70s but a brutal '80s that no one wants to remember. They were a league joke and a national disgrace. It wasnt until '93 that they made any noise. There was a couple of final 4 years and then in the late '90s with Quinn they were arguably Top 5 contenders from '99-'04 every year. But still what looks like a second straight golf season is just sad.
Yeah I'm referring to the Habs, I should have re-worded that.

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