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03-05-2007, 04:03 PM
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Claude Noel's value to the Preds organization...

In keeping up with the Sabres threads, and having watched the Ads for Claude's whole tenure, a thread topic there caught my eye...Apparently on HNIC, Don Cherry was talking of Amerks coach Randy Cunneyworth as being the best coach in the AHL that is 'next' to deserve a shot at the NHL...
Lindy Ruff (Sabres head coach) was asked if he thought Randy was 'up for a shot' at the NHL...he quipped, "Gosh, I hope not."
That got me thinking...Claude's won cups in the ECHL (Toledo), the AHL (the Ads), and was in the finals last season. I wonder what Preds players, staff, and fans would say in a response to Claude 'getting a shot' in the NHL (elsewhere)...
Is Claude as important to Poile/Trotz/the Preds as the Sabres organization seems to think Cunneyworth is?

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In keeping up with the Sabres threads, and having watched the Ads for Claude's whole tenure, a thread topic there caught my eye...Apparently on HNIC, Don Cherry was talking of Amerks coach Randy Cunneyworth as being the best coach in the AHL that is 'next' to deserve a shot at the NHL...
Lindy Ruff (Sabres head coach) was asked if he thought Randy was 'up for a shot' at the NHL...he quipped, "Gosh, I hope not."
That got me thinking...Claude's won cups in the ECHL (Toledo), the AHL (the Ads), and was in the finals last season. I wonder what Preds players, staff, and fans would say in a response to Claude 'getting a shot' in the NHL (elsewhere)...
Is Claude as important to Poile/Trotz/the Preds as the Sabres organization seems to think Cunneyworth is?
if he can run a power play, I'm all for him replacing Horachek.

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Our special teams have NOT been our strong suit this year...especially the power play. We had a pretty decent penalty kill for awhile though...


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PP doesn't quite have the talent that the Ads have enjoyed since Noel took the post either. However, his strong suit is supposed to be coaching up players.

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Important

I expect to see franchises to start spending more money on off ice things such as Management, Coaching and specialists, sort of like a Dallas Mavericks approach. This would include their AHL teams. And if a coach like Noel is best suited coaching AHL calibre players and is okay at that level, will the day come where teams will be paying their AHL coaches the same rate as NHL coaches are getting.

I would think the NHL has a policy in place limiting one AHL team per NHL team or the number of players you can have under contract, but it would be interesting to see an NHL team have two or even three AHL teams to feed their NHL club. Teams like Toronto, Detroit, NY Rangers who were spending max dollars before the cap could just spend like crazy off the ice.

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I expect to see franchises to start spending more money on off ice things such as Management, Coaching and specialists, sort of like a Dallas Mavericks approach. This would include their AHL teams. And if a coach like Noel is best suited coaching AHL calibre players and is okay at that level, will the day come where teams will be paying their AHL coaches the same rate as NHL coaches are getting.
This I doubt. If Noel has a goal of becomming a NHL coach, I think he would join the first team that offered the position, whether or not the Preds matched the offer and kept him in Milwaukee, which would seem highly unlikely.

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I would think the NHL has a policy in place limiting one AHL team per NHL team
They do not. The AHL requires that a franchise have at least one NHL affiliation or go dormant. This happened to the Cincinnati Mighty Ducks a few years ago.

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... or the number of players you can have under contract,
They do. A NHL club may have up to 50 players under contract, not including their players at the junior level, among others. That is the jist of the rule.

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...but it would be interesting to see an NHL team have two or even three AHL teams to feed their NHL club.
The Edmonton Oilers have been doing this on and off for the past 5-8 years, the Islanders have done it when the IHL still existed, and so have the Los Angeles Kings prior to Manchester. This season the Oilers have agreements with 5 AHL teams, the primary being W-B/Scranton as well as Iowa, Milwaukee, and two others.


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It's almost like a player giving a team a "hometown discount." The AHL coach, Noel in this situation, could probably coach higher up elsewhere. But he knows the Preds need him where he is at, and as long as he is compensated nicely, he could stay put. However, as is the case with most players, they will go where the money is and if they are given a shot at the NHL, they'll take it. Let's hope that Noel is happy in Milwaukee and the Preds make sure he is well-off for being such an important part of our growth process.

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In the run up to this season Noel gave a lengthy interview for the Journal in which he basically said, look, in order to get to the 'next level', I know I gotta win 'this thing (the Calder Cup)' once, maybe twice more...He was bitterly upset at losing last season to Hershey. That being said, he has really firmly placed roots here, and says he loves the Milwaukee area. I beleive this is his 'option' year on his contract to coach. He chose to take it at the end of last season. I have not read of him resigning yet, so we'll see. I hope he stays, but if he did get a head coaching offer, I'm sure he would take it. Assistant - maybe not. I do have a feeling that he is paid quite well to develop players for the Preds...


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From what I know, if he doesnt get a job to a nhl level with the preds, he will be going at colombus as a assistant coach with his good friend Ken Hitchcock.

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if he can run a power play, I'm all for him replacing Horachek.
Holy crap that's the truth right there.

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From what I know, if he doesnt get a job to a nhl level with the preds, he will be going at colombus as a assistant coach with his good friend Ken Hitchcock.

Jay...since you just apparently joined HF today...first, let me welcome you to the boards, and don't take this wrong.....but when somebody new with no track record comes out of nowhere and makes a bold statement like that, it is bound to raise a few eyebrows and/or dismissive shakes of the head.

Do you care to elaborate on the "from what I know" part of that statement without compromising your source.

Thanks in advance.

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From what I know, if he doesnt get a job to a nhl level with the preds, he will be going at colombus as a assistant coach with his good friend Ken Hitchcock.
Noel bio from MilwaukeeAdmirals.com:


[The 2005-06 season marks the third campaign for Noel behind the Admirals’ bench. During his first two years on the job Noel’s squads have combined for a 93-48-12-7 mark and posted back-to-back 100-point seasons for the first time in franchise history. In addition, the Kirkland, ONT native captured the Louis A.R. Pieri award, given to the AHL’s Coach of the Year, in 2004 while leading the Ads to the Calder Cup title, the first professional championship in franchise history.

Noel has been both foe and friend to the Admirals over the course of his coaching and playing career, starting when led the Toledo Goaldiggers to the IHL Championship over the Ads in 1982-83. That season marked the last time Milwaukee qualified for a league championship series before he was named coach In 1987-88 Noel finished his playing career with the Admirals, notching eight goals and 34 assists, before heading into the coaching ranks full time. Noel has spent eight of the last nine seasons in the Brew City, first as an assistant coach under Dave Allison from 1998-2002 and then as head coach beginning in the 03-04 season. Noel spent the 02-03 season as head coach for the Toledo Storm of the ECHL where he picked up the league’s Coach of the Year honors.

Noel’s first coaching experience came in Austria where he was a player-head coach during the 1983-84 season. Following his return as a player in the late 1980’s, he was named head coach of the Roanoke-Valley Rebels (ECHL) in 1990. The following year, he was named head coach and director of hockey operations for the league’s Dayton Bombers and recorded two consecutive winning seasons (67-49-0-12). He made the jump to the International Hockey League as an assistant coach with the Kalamazoo Wings in 1993 and replaced eventual Dallas Stars Stanley Cup Champion Head Coach Ken Hitchcock behind the Kalamazoo bench as the Wings head coach in 1996. Noel continued in that capacity through the 1997-98 season.

The man with a yuletide name was actually born on Halloween in 1955. His playing resume includes 351 AHL games and a Calder Cup Championship with the Hershey Bears as well as seven games with the Washington Capitals (NHL). As a forward with the Toledo Goaldiggers (IHL) in 1982-83, Noel put together an explosive offensive season when he scored 124 points (42g-82a) in 82 games and was named the league’s Most Valuable Player. That season, Noel almost single-handedly thwarted the Admirals best chance to win the Turner Cup. He scored 18 points (3g-15a) in just 11 playoff games as Toledo beat Milwaukee in the finals.]

...I am not a private detective, but maybe someone can find a 'Hitchcock link' beyond a past coaching position in Noel's public bio...Whatever the case, this past season was Claude's option year (he took it at the end of last season) so I have to assume a decision has to be made on him by mid - June or so...Since our GM (Whitliff) retired after last season (after being around as a player/coach/GM for almost the entire Ads professional days, since the 70s'...) we still have not named a new GM...Talk was maybe Claude wanted both Coach/GM, but if he still wants a shot at the NHL (I'm sure he does) why would he do that...I wish him the best. IMHO, if the Preds clean house, them Claude will probably go as well...

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Jay...since you just apparently joined HF today...first, let me welcome you to the boards, and don't take this wrong.....but when somebody new with no track record comes out of nowhere and makes a bold statement like that, it is bound to raise a few eyebrows and/or dismissive shakes of the head.

Do you care to elaborate on the "from what I know" part of that statement without compromising your source.

Thanks in advance.
Wow, still awaiting a reply. Shocking.

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I wont reveal my sources but they are very solid and the only way to prove i was right is to wait a little I guess.

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I wont reveal my sources but they are very solid and the only way to prove i was right is to wait a little I guess.
Well, the way this board works is that you either reveal your "sources" or your posts get deleted. We don't permit, in the words of the FAQ, "outlandish claims of inside info," which is just what this is.

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My source says Jay1337pwnzor doesn't know what they are talking about, but I can't back that up

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Noel bio from MilwaukeeAdmirals.com:

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He made the jump to the International Hockey League as an assistant coach with the Kalamazoo Wings in 1993 and replaced eventual Dallas Stars Stanley Cup Champion Head Coach Ken Hitchcock behind the Kalamazoo bench as the Wings head coach in 1996. Noel continued in that capacity through the 1997-98 season.

...I am not a private detective, but maybe someone can find a 'Hitchcock link' beyond a past coaching position in Noel's public bio...
Neither am I but, according to the timeline presented, he served as an assistant to Hitchcock for three years in Kalamazoo, and then as a HC for the Dallas Stars' affiliate for two or three seasons while Hitchcock was the HC of the Stars. That five or six-year span might be "link" enough for some. "Good friend" can be debated.

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Did any of you ever talk with Claude Noel in real?

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Did any of you ever talk with Claude Noel in real?
So are you saying that you have spoken directly with Noel in regards to this matter?

Or is this your version of smoke and mirrors?

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Some of my relatives are close with the guy and thats what they told me. (After talking with him!!).

If this is not enough then just delete my posts and keep your blabla thinking you know it all. I just felt like i could share it here with people on this forums but im getting called a lier..

Its not like this story is completly crazy, it does make a lot of sense for him to go at Colombus since he spent several years close to Ken Hitchcock.

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Noel...

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Did any of you ever talk with Claude Noel in real?
Well, I think it is a credit to Claude that no one on these boards wants to see him leave the organization...He's a stand up coach, and a good person that has spent a great deal of his meaningful, pro, coaching career with the Admirals...don't take offense to us being 'skeptical'...I don't think anyone is calling you a liar. And, if you are friends/family/close to Claude, that is great! BUT - some of us take our Preds/Ads really 'serious like' and might push you on your knowledge/sources...

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From what I know, if he doesnt get a job to a nhl level with the preds, he will be going at colombus as a assistant coach with his good friend Ken Hitchcock.

sounds like i was right

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sounds like i was right
Yup....good job man!!!

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sounds like i was right
yes but you can't blame those that questioned the validity of your post given that you had no history.......

also isn't saying "I told you so" (paraphrasing) considered bad form?

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