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03-04-2007, 08:42 PM
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Top Performing Russian Prospects

Sorry, didn't see this up, so sorry if this has been posted, but our newly aquired Russian Defencemen makes a splash on the top 20 list, at #2! and quote this:

" Overall, Grebeshkov is an NHL-caliber defenseman who belongs back in North America next season."

Dayum, ready already, he is steadily impressing me....


http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/9478

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Grebeshkov a Top Russian Prospect

http://hockeysfuture.com/articles/9478

He's currently the second-ranked prospect (according to HF), they say he definitely "NHL calibre" and should play here next year.

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nice, thx for da link

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Not sure I am going to like the prospects of a Grebeshkov, Smid, Greene, Gilbert bottom four or 4-7. If this is the case, it will be the same story as this year for the Oilers and their d-corps. Grebeshkov may turn out, he may not. By the sounds of things he will get a one-way contract and we will be forced to see either way. I think Russian prospects are very finicky. You either get HIGH end Malkin, Semin, Ovechkin, type players or nothing. Feast or famine. I hope Grebeshkov is a feast, but I can also smell famine.

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Not sure I am going to like the prospects of a Grebeshkov, Smid, Greene, Gilbert bottom four or 4-7. If this is the case, it will be the same story as this year for the Oilers and their d-corps. Grebeshkov may turn out, he may not. By the sounds of things he will get a one-way contract and we will be forced to see either way. I think Russian prospects are very finicky. You either get HIGH end Malkin, Semin, Ovechkin, type players or nothing. Feast or famine. I hope Grebeshkov is a feast, but I can also smell famine.
I am going to take a wild stab and predict that one of those four guys will not be Oilers property by the time the puck drops in October to open the 07/08 season.

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I am going to take a wild stab and predict that one of those four guys will not be Oilers property by the time the puck drops in October to open the 07/08 season.
I hope you are right, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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Looks like the kid could be pretty good. It, also, sounds like he's got some grit to his game, which is never a bad thing.

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My guess is that Greene is on the way out the door. He hasn't seemed to progress a great deal this season, while they specifically traded for Grebeshkov, Smid is suposed to be a key piece of the future puzzle and Gilbert looked more like he belonged than Greene in the small sample we saw of him playing this season.

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My guess is that Greene is on the way out the door. He hasn't seemed to progress a great deal this season, while they specifically traded for Grebeshkov, Smid is suposed to be a key piece of the future puzzle and Gilbert looked more like he belonged than Greene in the small sample we saw of him playing this season.
I'd say that Greene is still important to the Oilers. You have to figure that Jason Smith will get at LEAST 4 million when he becomes a UFA. I guess it still depends on what the Oil do this summer....which is becoming painful to wait for.

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Not sure I am going to like the prospects of a Grebeshkov, Smid, Greene, Gilbert bottom four or 4-7. If this is the case, it will be the same story as this year for the Oilers and their d-corps. Grebeshkov may turn out, he may not. By the sounds of things he will get a one-way contract and we will be forced to see either way. I think Russian prospects are very finicky. You either get HIGH end Malkin, Semin, Ovechkin, type players or nothing. Feast or famine. I hope Grebeshkov is a feast, but I can also smell famine.

I strongly disagree. I think Grebs, Smid, Gilbert, Greene are fine as the 4-7. Look around the NHL. Our 4-7 is about the same as most teams. Your 4-6 D should never be the reason why you lose games. If your have a good top 3 you will be fine. Look at baseball. If you have 4 stud pitchers it doesn't matter if your 5-6-7 rotation are crap because your studs should be able to carry the team. The problem is that our top 3-Smith, Staois, Hejda is brutal when compared to other teams top 3. We have no D studs to carry the team. Calling Smith or Staois a # 2 defensmen would be generous. IMO they both are #3 Defensemen, really good 2nd unit defensemen. I think the problem is we don't have adequate #1-2 defensemen. The third unit is fine compared to other teams third unit.

I've been huge on Grebs from day 1. He going to have a 1 way contract so I don't know why most people are leaving him out of the lineup when projecting lines for next year. The way I look at is we gave Buffalo a 7th for Hejda. Our scouts over in Russia obviously know what they are doing because Hejda was a huge steal. Hejda is a legitimate # 4 Defensemen in his first year in N.A. Pretty impressive. We gave up a 10-15 goal scoring defensemen with a cap friendly contract AND a third rounder for Grebs- obvsiously the scouts are really, really high to give that to the Islanders(the package is decent but think of the timing, giving the Islanders our top scoring D in the middle of our playoff race) but we Really, really, wanted this player!

My instincts are that Grebs will be as good/better than Hejda and I already stated think Hejda is a legit #4 Defensemen so I'm pretty excited about Grebs next year.


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I love the fact that Grebeshkov is progressing and all, but I still hate our D corps

we need to sign AT LEAST 1 vetern puck-mover that can play on the top line...someone like Timonnen

Timonnen-Smith
Smid-Staios
Grebeshkov-Hejda
Gilbert

gone: Roy or Greene

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Not to rain on anyone's parade about Grebeshkov, but wasn't the same thing said about Mikhnov last year? There is a massive difference between the RSL and the NHL. Grebeshkov struggled at the NHL level and was disappointing at the AHL level this year (not motivated?). The RSL is a step down, so I'm not sure he's going to come over here and step right in. If he does, it will either be a surprise, or a statement on the woes the Oilers blueline is going to face the upcoming season.

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I think that Smid and Grebs will be among the younger guys on the roster, and I also believe that the blueline will be bolstered by a second tier FA signing (Preissing? Sydor? someone?) and further by a big deal for a younger top 4 guy (JBo? Pitkanen? Hamhuis? Seabrook? Volchenkov?).

I think Greene may end up being the odd man out, but think by next season our D will look something like this:

Smith-UFA/trade
Staios-Smid
Grebeshkov-UFA/trade
Gilbert/Roy/Greene/someone

Depending on who comes in, the lineup shakes down differently. I'd love to sign a solid vet, deal for a Hamhuis or Volchenkov, and spend some cap space/assets on a couple upgrades at forward...

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Not to rain on anyone's parade about Grebeshkov, but wasn't the same thing said about Mikhnov last year? There is a massive difference between the RSL and the NHL. Grebeshkov struggled at the NHL level and was disappointing at the AHL level this year (not motivated?). The RSL is a step down, so I'm not sure he's going to come over here and step right in. If he does, it will either be a surprise, or a statement on the woes the Oilers blueline is going to face the upcoming season.
I don't think Mikhnov was ever considered that highly by outside sources (except from some Oiler fans).

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Not to rain on anyone's parade about Grebeshkov, but wasn't the same thing said about Mikhnov last year? There is a massive difference between the RSL and the NHL. Grebeshkov struggled at the NHL level and was disappointing at the AHL level this year (not motivated?). The RSL is a step down, so I'm not sure he's going to come over here and step right in. If he does, it will either be a surprise, or a statement on the woes the Oilers blueline is going to face the upcoming season.
Check your facts, Grebs didn't play in the A this year and was dominant in the two seasons he was there.

He HAS played in North America and played well (unlike Mik) and furthermore he isn't unwilling to play here, he is just unwilling to play here in the AHL where he faces lesser competition for less money.

I think he would be a solid 5/6 guy next season, and can earn a spot higher up with his play.

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Not to rain on anyone's parade about Grebeshkov, but wasn't the same thing said about Mikhnov last year? There is a massive difference between the RSL and the NHL. Grebeshkov struggled at the NHL level and was disappointing at the AHL level this year (not motivated?). The RSL is a step down, so I'm not sure he's going to come over here and step right in. If he does, it will either be a surprise, or a statement on the woes the Oilers blueline is going to face the upcoming season.
Mikhnov didn't get a chance. 1 game with atleast 14 minutes with top 6 linemates would have been the chance he didn't recieve.

Grebs leading the AHL in assists is considered disappointing?

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I don't think Mikhnov was ever considered that highly by outside sources (except from some Oiler fans).
I'm pretty sure he was rated in the top three for Russian prospects prior to this year.

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No way Smith gets 4 million on the market.

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No way Smith gets 4 million on the market.
I said the same thing about Brewer...

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Check your facts, Grebs didn't play in the A this year and was dominant in the two seasons he was there.
Sorry, maybe I should have been a little more clear, he disappointed by not reporting. And if you mean that "Grebs" was dominant by being crappy defensively, soft as the staypuft marshmallow man, and less than disiplined, then yeah, "Grebs" was dominant. Holy smokes, if the guy was "dominant" he would have been in the NHL strutting his stuff. Don't take my word for it though, there are more than enough posts on this site and others hammering the guy for poor play and questionable development.

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