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03-05-2007, 02:23 PM
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2 teams in the same city?
NYR-NYI-NJ is pretty much that

Toronto & southern Ontario has enough fan base to support another team if it comes to that. The waiting list for tickets in Toronto is supposedly ridiculous.

Problem is more about there not being a good arena yet, although Copps could probably hold a team temporarily while another one is built.

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03-05-2007, 02:24 PM
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Pittsburgh has great fans and deserve to keep its team.
They can't even fill their damn arena - move the franchise to Canada or Seattle.

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03-05-2007, 02:25 PM
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Pens for Habs and a 2nd.....
You can also trow in both 1st round picks

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Not sure the Copps Colliseum is still NHL-worthy though. Better than the Colisée is QC for sure but I don't think it could be a permanent home for an NHL team anymore.

KC & Winnipeg have brand spankin' new arenas ready for a team right away.

Anyway, it would definitely be cool to have a team return to Canada, where ever that may be.
I heard something about major renovations being done to Copps, it's not a bad arena, but for sure a more permanent home would have to be built.

I knew about the KC arena...but I didn't know about the one in Winnipeg. Knowing that, I might lean a bit more towards Winnipeg then Hamilton.

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They can't even fill their damn arena - move the franchise to Canada or Seattle.
Dude you really don't know what your talking about.They have 1 of the best fan support in the US.I think they have something close to 20 sell outs while Boston on Saturday got their 5th sell out and it was simply because of Habs fans

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They can't even fill their damn arena - move the franchise to Canada or Seattle.
Well so they'd better move Florida, Carolina, New Jersey, Atlanta, Nashville and plenty of others.

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Maybe Bob is going to get Gillett to buy them, moving guys like Crosby, Malkin, Fleury & Stall to the habs and trading eveyrone else for draft picks!


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Good.
Took the word out of my mouth.

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Where's Balsillie now? Bring them to K-W! lol
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Haha...now isn't that a coincidence??? Nice job finding that brownman

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good luck with no arena!
GUESS WHAT!?!! Its elections time!

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Damn it... it would broke my heart, Nordiques 2.0

Pittsburgh has great fans and deserve to keep its team.
They have great fans only when generational talents play there. I remember a very bad year attendance wise in 03-04.

A lot of market could fill out their arena with Crosby or Lemieux playing.

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WAIT!!! Bob please send a message to your counterpart in Pittsburgh and before any sale trade all our players for all their players (more or less).

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They can't even fill their damn arena - move the franchise to Canada or Seattle.
Then you obviously haven't watched many Pens games or have been here for a game. All the games from now till the end of the year are sold out. Only way to buy tickets are from stubhub.com or Ebay.

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They have great fans only when generational talents play there. I remember a very bad year attendance wise in 03-04.

A lot of market could fill out their arena with Crosby or Lemieux playing.
True, but some couldn't. Nashville and NJ are among the best teams in the league and cannot fill their arena. Same think for Carolina.

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03-05-2007, 03:14 PM
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NYR-NYI-NJ is pretty much that

Toronto & southern Ontario has enough fan base to support another team if it comes to that. The waiting list for tickets in Toronto is supposedly ridiculous.

Problem is more about there not being a good arena yet, although Copps could probably hold a team temporarily while another one is built.
Unless I'm mistaken, none of those 3 franchises get a full house every game.

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Unless I'm mistaken, none of those 3 franchises get a full house every game.
well, that's a very strong point...

I was just responding that 2 teams in one town is not unheard of since NYC has 3. You however bring a good point that they're not all that successful (I think NYR sells ok though, doesn't it?).

I'm however pretty certain that 2 teams in the GTA would sell much better than the 3 in the NYC area.

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This is really starting to look like the Nordiques, a good young team not winning the cup where they started...

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03-05-2007, 03:47 PM
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This is really starting to look like the Nordiques, a good young team not winning the cup where they started...
Sad.. but true!

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03-05-2007, 03:51 PM
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True, but some couldn't. Nashville and NJ are among the best teams in the league and cannot fill their arena. Same think for Carolina.
Speaks volumes about the NHL - its clearly a diluted product when your top teams can't attract fans.

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03-05-2007, 03:59 PM
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I heard something about major renovations being done to Copps, it's not a bad arena, but for sure a more permanent home would have to be built.

I knew about the KC arena...but I didn't know about the one in Winnipeg. Knowing that, I might lean a bit more towards Winnipeg then Hamilton.
The Dogs, as well as us season ticket holders have been preaching for years that Copps needs to be renovated, but to no response. The arena is in alright shape, but in order to be a great arena (esp. an NHL one) a lot has to be done. First, replace the multi-coloured seats. I know it's an aesthetic thing, but it's darn ugly. More of an issue is the main concourse. It's alright when there are only people sitting in the bottom bowl (which is the norm for Dogs games) but when you get people in the top bowl, the concourse becomes a solid mass of people at intermission. Other things, like paint, heat (can get drafty in there), etc...have to be addressed.

I was at the Grand Rapids arena last week, and it was the epitome of a great AHL arena. Copps is too big for an AHL team (seat wise it could work for an NHL team with a capacity of 17,000), but the Grand Rapids arena (Van Andel) is quite new and very clean, and has a capacity of 10,000, and had a really good atmosphere.

But Hamilton is never getting an NHL team (been over a million times). The league needs to return to Quebec City or Winnipeg, with Winnipeg having the edge because of the arena (the MTS Centre is very capable of holding an NHL team). That being said, Pittsburgh is a very important part of the NHL, and losing that city would hurt...big time. The NHL needs to step in and help on this one, because if a team with a rich history like Pittsburgh goes in this post lockout world, there's no telling what can happen.

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Pens for Habs and a 2nd.....
Sounds good to me......Where do I sign.

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03-05-2007, 04:08 PM
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Speaks volumes about the NHL - its clearly a diluted product when your top teams can't attract fans.
Well, that or a poor marketized league with teams in non-natural markets.

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True, but some couldn't. Nashville and NJ are among the best teams in the league and cannot fill their arena. Same think for Carolina.
I'm ready to give a break to Nashville, still a relativly "new" market. Pittburgh got a team since the 70's if i'm right, if corporate support and the state itself can't chip in, nobody can save this franchise, nobody.

I just hope that this won't be blamed on Bettman again. The lack of desire of the different level of governement, imo, will be to blame if the Penns indeed move.


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Well, that or a poor marketized league with teams in non-natural markets.
Marketing a sports like hockey is difficult in some area of the states. So was Basketball a one point.

It's all about being patients.

California is starting to produce very decent hockey players, I think there are some playing in the CHL.

There is no doubt that this game will never be as big as American Football or Baseball, but given time, I am sure it can find it's niche in the North-American sports markets.

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