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04-16-2014, 08:03 PM
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I want a guy who has skill and speed. not another gritty forward

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I want a guy who has skill and speed. not another gritty forward
Robbie Fabbri is all three

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I want a guy with skill but who works hard. I don't care if he plays the gritty game along with it, I would just like him to work his *** off in the games practices and offseason

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USA-Switzerland starting now in Fasthockey. USA's games are for free and I am so pumped to see Eichel and Hanifin not to mention to see if Larkin is worth our hype.

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Hope we can snag a good player with the 30th overall.

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Hope we can snag a good player with the 30th overall.
Impossible, the Devils got that pick back from the NHL

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Robbie Fabbri is all three
I actually looked him up before I saw this. And the kid can play, the only thing that might hinder him is his size. but other than that, he has a lot of skill.

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Oh boy was Fiala amazing against Finland.

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I want another rooski to compliment Bryz

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a few posts back somebody wanted an updated ranking, heres iss http://www.isshockey.com/

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U18 update:

pastrnak has 5 assists in 4 games I believe
milano has 2 goals and 4 assists in 4 games

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Dylan Larkin had a pretty bawssy U-18 tournament. 2+2 in six games playing as the second line center behind Eichel, with some powerplay time. 24 Shots on goal, second on the team behind Eichel. Shooting at ~8.5% pretty much guarantees he was playing without much luck.

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"He has the offence, can score and skate, but he's also learned the little subtleties needed to play the center position. He's taken an unbelievable mature approach; kind of an NHL-repertoire approach to practices and games. He's training to be really good at it and his progress has been great."

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Probably my #1 most wanted player outside of the top-5.

Oh, and I asked Pronman about it. He decided to get snarky with it
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Pronman's response.

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Super excited! Can't really go wrong with any of these picks: Pastrnak, Fiala, Milano, Larkin, Fabbri!

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Dylan Larkin had a pretty bawssy U-18 tournament. 2+2 in six games playing as the second line center behind Eichel, with some powerplay time. 24 Shots on goal, second on the team behind Eichel. Shooting at ~8.5% pretty much guarantees he was playing without much luck.

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Probably my #1 most wanted player outside of the top-5.

Oh, and I asked Pronman about it. He decided to get snarky with it
We lack depth at center, but is it necessary to get another top cente prospect when we already have Koivu Granlund and Haula?

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We lack depth at center, but is it necessary to get another top cente prospect when we already have Koivu Granlund and Haula?
You can't have too many centers.

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Doesn't matter what position the soon-to-be-drafted plays if he's the best player available.

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You can't have too many centers.
This.

The flexibility to also play center only makes him a more desirable prospect, from my view. Plus, Larkin has seen time at LW as well, so we'd really be looking at a top 6 forward with great position flexibility.

I think someone made the Kesler comparison earlier in this thread. I want.

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Doesn't matter what position the soon-to-be-drafted plays if he's the best player available.
I feel I have to argue against the BPA thinking: look, I understand the logic and it makes sense, but in reality, when you are around #20 pick, the BPA is no longer clear cut.

You now have a BTA, as in, Best Tier Available. I mean, what seperates a guy like Sonny Milano to Alex Tuch? Milano has better one-on-one skills but Tuch is more physically imposing. They both have strengths and weaknesses that counteract each other, and what you are left with is 2 prospects that you would EQUALLY want on your team.

At that point, position starts coming into play. What does the team's prospect pool (not pro roster) need?

In our case, we need an offensive winger who can generate offense.

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I feel I have to argue against the BPA thinking: look, I understand the logic and it makes sense, but in reality, when you are around #20 pick, the BPA is no longer clear cut.

You now have a BTA, as in, Best Tier Available. I mean, what seperates a guy like Sonny Milano to Alex Tuch? Milano has better one-on-one skills but Tuch is more physically imposing. They both have strengths and weaknesses that counteract each other, and what you are left with is 2 prospects that you would EQUALLY want on your team.

At that point, position starts coming into play. What does the team's prospect pool (not pro roster) need?

In our case, we need an offensive winger who can generate offense.


Sorry, but I strongly disagree wrong with the bolded. Flahr and company may turn out to be wrong, but they will have a list that they believe in. Everything you listed is obviously used in determining who is the "BPA", but using your example, I can guarantee that come draft day, Flahr will absolutely know who he would prefer between Milano, or Tuch.

The tier system you're talking about is used more so for determining the value of trading up/down.

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Sorry, but I strongly disagree wrong with the bolded. Flahr and company may turn out to be wrong, but they will have a list that they believe in. Everything you listed is obviously used in determining who is the "BPA", but using your example, I can guarantee that come draft day, Flahr will absolutely know who he would prefer between Milano, or Tuch.

The tier system you're talking about is used more so for determining the value of trading up/down.
Oh, I agree they will have a list. And I agree, they will know on draft day who they will pick.

But I also think that final list is a mixture of BPA and team needs all factored into a nice, concise list. Obviously, BPA is the bigger factor but position does play a factor.

My example was not suggesting on draft day, they will not be sure who they want. My example was suggesting that on the day before where all the scouts are debating who is number 19 and who is number 20, if both players are equally good like with Milano and Tuch, then needs will factor in, and have Milano at 19 and Tuch at 20 (just examples).

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Oh, I agree they will have a list. And I agree, they will know on draft day who they will pick.

But I also think that final list is a mixture of BPA and team needs all factored into a nice, concise list. Obviously, BPA is the bigger factor but position does play a factor.

My example was not suggesting on draft day, they will not be sure who they want. My example was suggesting that on the day before where all the scouts are debating who is number 19 and who is number 20, if both players are equally good like with Milano and Tuch, then needs will factor in, and have Milano at 19 and Tuch at 20 (just examples).

I agree with alot of what you're saying but am confused by your idea of BPA.

There is no BPA list made before everything is considered. It's not like they are handed a list that has Milano ranked ahead of Tuch, but they change it because they would rather have a power forward. Flahr and company make the list using any and all information they can obtain.

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You now have a BTA, as in, Best Tier Available. I mean, what seperates a guy like Sonny Milano to Alex Tuch? Milano has better one-on-one skills but Tuch is more physically imposing. They both have strengths and weaknesses that counteract each other, and what you are left with is 2 prospects that you would EQUALLY want on your team.


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That's when you evaluate the strengths and weaknesses, measure their comptetiveness and work ethic, look at their overall nature as human beings and finally take your chance on the guy who has the ingredients to become the best NHL player out of the available draftees. Ofcourse you have to calculate their propability to become the player he is projected as.

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That's when you evaluate the strengths and weaknesses, measure their comptetiveness and work ethic, look at their overall nature as human beings and finally take your chance on the guy who has the ingredients to become the best NHL player out of the available draftees. Ofcourse you have to calculate their propability to become the player he is projected as.
Yes, but these terms you used made it sound scientific, when they barely any scientific measurements actually used in scouting. You can evaluate strengths and weaknesses and talk all year long, but different scouts are going to have different opinions.

Another good example would be Shea Theodore vs Curtis Lazar. How do you pick one over another? I personally had Theodore over Lazar because of his ultimate upside but I have total understanding someone like Lazar's safer build for the NHL. And no one can say either team is wrong for taking either!

Point is, there is going to be arguments flying from both directions by the time you hit the mid. You are going to get 5-10 prospects are possible picks in your area and all with good reasons to be picked at #20 and not clear line to separate the two, its going to be a very gray line. Thats when factors outside of pure talent comes in such as personal preference (do you prefer a safer or home-run prospects), depth of your team (does your team need to good bet for an NHLer or does it have the depth to take a gamble), and positional needs (e.g I have Granlund, Coyle, Haula, Phillips, could we use a winger instead?).

Just to clarify, I am not saying just because we have alot centers means we should ignore center prospects. Not at all. What I am saying is, when there is a tie-breaker (and there will be around #20ish areas), you need a factor to finally break the straw, why not position, preference and team depth make that final cut? Otherwise, what will?

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