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03-04-2007, 04:35 PM
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besides the fact that bergeron is a quality two-way player, i think kessel's defensive improvement has been excellent. i'm not ready to anoint him as a selke candidate, but he's shown me the ability to be pretty reliable in his own end. from what i'd seen of him in college, i was expecting a total floater out there. he's anything but.
For all of the crap that Dave Lewis gets, he's gotten a lot of respect from me for getting Kessel into NHL shape, both physically and in his own defensive zone. Over the course of the last 30 or so games, we've seen Kessel go from the guy that always gets laid out to someone who can backcheck, gets dirty behind his own net, and plays with confidence in his own end. In my opinion, there's nobody to attribute that to but Lewis, Houda and Habscheid.

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There was this guy once,
He was a little small, pretty skinny actually.
Wasn't real fast, or great shot.
He did okay in the NHL.
His name was Gretzky.

Now I'm not comparing Krejci to Gretzky.
Just saying you need to look past what the prototypical player should
be, and give the guy a chance.
I'm not writing him off by any stretch, just giving my personal take on the guy. I'm not a scout or an overly intelligent hockey mind, nor do I play one on TV.

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Bergeron was good enough to be a first line centerman last season and is now not good enough for 2nd line centerman...
Pathetic!
Havent you heard? This is now called the knee jerk reaction board.

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For all of the crap that Dave Lewis gets, he's gotten a lot of respect from me for getting Kessel into NHL shape, both physically and in his own defensive zone. Over the course of the last 30 or so games, we've seen Kessel go from the guy that always gets laid out to someone who can backcheck, gets dirty behind his own net, and plays with confidence in his own end. In my opinion, there's nobody to attribute that to but Lewis, Houda and Habscheid.
And Kessel himself.

Habscheid is known as a guy that can work with youngsters. I am not sure I can attribute much to Lewis as he was barely playing him until his hand was forced with injuries.

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For all of the crap that Dave Lewis gets, he's gotten a lot of respect from me for getting Kessel into NHL shape, both physically and in his own defensive zone. Over the course of the last 30 or so games, we've seen Kessel go from the guy that always gets laid out to someone who can backcheck, gets dirty behind his own net, and plays with confidence in his own end. In my opinion, there's nobody to attribute that to but Lewis, Houda and Habscheid.
excellent point - and one i should've made in my post. for all the criticism lewis and his coaches get/deserve, they've done a great job teaching kessel the ropes. kid's gonna be a monstah next year.

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another thing i noticed, is dispite the traditional too many mens on the ice bench penalty, lewis, even on the road, can match the lines he wants.

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Yes, pay him 4 million dollars to play on the 3rd line.
yes, pay him 4 million dollors on the second line if there is a better more productive person to take his spot

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Well, let's see now what we have here:

Axe - Savard - Murray
Sturm - Bergeron - Tenkrat (soon to be Kobasew)
Chistov - Kessel - Bochenski (Awesome game today)
Reich - Mowers - Donovan

hmmm. looks like we are more closer to 3 scoring lines than we thought...

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03-04-2007, 08:42 PM
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Well, let's see now what we have here:

Axe - Savard - Murray
Sturm - Bergeron - Tenkrat (soon to be Kobasew)
Chistov - Kessel - Bochenski (Awesome game today)
Reich - Mowers - Donovan

hmmm. looks like we are more closer to 3 scoring lines than we thought...
That's exactly what I was thinking during the game tonight after the Kessel line scored their second goal. Kessel and Bochenski seem to have some chemisty and Chistov looked more comfortable playing on that line than he has all year.

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03-05-2007, 10:54 AM
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Why do we think a guy who has 58 pts in 60 games should be playing behind a guy who has 22 points in 53 games again?

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03-05-2007, 11:14 AM
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Why do we think a guy who has 58 pts in 60 games should be playing behind a guy who has 22 points in 53 games again?
In the end, the number associated with the line makes no difference. We've seen 3rd liners get more ice time than 1st liners, 4th liners get more ice time than 2nd liners, etc. etc. It basically comes down to how the players are used. Savard is the top offensive player (no doubt about that). His line is out there to do one thing - create offense. That makes them the "1st line". The 2nd line is offensive support. At this point, that line could be centered by either Bergeron or Kessel. Both have been great at creating offense and both are defensively responsible. But when you think of who would be a better checking line center, it has to be Bergeron. He's better on faceoffs, he's more experienced, he plays more physically and he's better defensively. Putting him on the 3rd line and pinning him against other team's top players is a excellent strategy. I think he does a great job in this role. If he appears on the 3rd line in the lineup, he'll still get 18-20 minutes of ice time, I think you can rest assured of that.

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Well, let's see now what we have here:

Axe - Savard - Murray
Sturm - Bergeron - Tenkrat (soon to be Kobasew)
Chistov - Kessel - Bochenski (Awesome game today)
Reich - Mowers - Donovan

hmmm. looks like we are more closer to 3 scoring lines than we thought...
Those lines have looked pretty good over the last couple games. Lewis will likely continue to use Reich-Mowers-Donovan as the 3rd line (checking/defensive line) and rotate Kessel/Bochenski in with the top 2 lines. Chistov also got a couple extra shifts last game. When Kobasew returns, there may an interesting dilemma with Tenkrat and Chistov both playing well lately. Who will sit?

Reich plays an important role and I would not want to take him out of the lineup. Does anyone think Lewis might actually scratch Mowers or Donovan? I think not. Mowers is the only other centerman on the team, so he needs to stay for that reason alone. Donovan is a vet and we all know Lewis' feelings on vets, so he's not sitting either (too bad). It will probably be Chistov he gets the scratch, but he's been really good next to Kobasew.

I'd like to see:
Axelsson-Savard-Murray
Sturm-Bergeron-Kobasew
Chistov-Kessel-Bochenski
Reich-Mowers-Tenkrat

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03-05-2007, 12:48 PM
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Why do we think a guy who has 58 pts in 60 games should be playing behind a guy who has 22 points in 53 games again?
Check the even strength numbers.

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I would like to think that the Bruins next year will be able to roll 3 scoring lines. It won't matter who is called #1, 2 or 3. Look at the Sabres. Every line they roll is a scoring threat.
As for Kessel's improved play, let's not lose sight that he is still a growing boy and some of his improved play is probably due to not only his skill, coaching but the fact that he is getting physically stronger.

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Check the even strength numbers.
And how much of that was due to Sturm not being able to hit water if he fell out of a boat early on?

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Check the even strength numbers.
Should we check his ES numbers from last year and the year before?? Bergeron is not a minus player and will not be one going forward.

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Should we check his ES numbers from last year and the year before?? Bergeron is not a minus player and will not be one going forward.
This is not last year or the year before. For whatever reason, Bergeron has 25 even strength points this year.

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03-05-2007, 05:19 PM
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This is not last year or the year before. For whatever reason, Bergeron has 25 even strength points this year.
And it had nothing to do with the team's trouble to score, overall? Guys like Sturm and Boyes not being able to get anything done on the scoresheet?

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I'd like to see:
Axelsson-Savard-Murray
Sturm-Bergeron-Kobasew
Chistov-Kessel-Bochenski
Reich-Mowers-Tenkrat
I look forward to next years lineup too:

We have alot of forward depth:
***** - Savard - Murray
Sturm - Bergeron - Kobasew
Kessel -Krejci - Bochenski
Axelsson - Kalus - Donovan
Mowers/Reich/Chistov

Chara - Alberts
Wideman - Ference
Ward- Lashoff
Stuart/Sigalet

I'd trade Murray at the draft for a draft pick and sign Hartnell to a 4/12 million dollar contract.

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And how much of that was due to Sturm not being able to hit water if he fell out of a boat early on?
he landed on ice instead?

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