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03-05-2007, 01:40 PM
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This is from the Cyberpresse link



My french isn't as good as my english but it isn't bad enough to misinterpret that!
thought you meant that she was the one who wrote the story. Sorry, dude.

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03-05-2007, 01:43 PM
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As far as I know, she was never a sportswriter in Russia at any time.
She worked as a sports journalist (not for long) in Georgia not in Russia.

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La Presse are doing their job, does somoene is surprise by the words of Kovalev? If that guy is unhappy, he can be the worse cancer in a locker room.

La Presse did their job and they would not go with that story without a very credible source.

Sadly you can't trade Kovalev, no one will take him at 4,5M$.

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03-05-2007, 01:55 PM
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Lapresse has more credibility than Le Journal de Montréal or even the Gazette.
NOT!

That's just 1,000% wrong.

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03-05-2007, 01:55 PM
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Very Ture.

Brunet especially has lost a lot of credibility this week.

Unreal what's going on.
Indeed, with that continuous Gainey bashing on top of that.

When you think about it... what Burke said in his article is :
Craig Rivet is traded to San Jose by Montreal, and I call and whine to Gainey about not calling me back and telling me he was available. He tells me that I was late to that party, and he had been talking to Doug Wilson for three weeks. Fair enough.
So by his own account, Gainey's ways were fair.

And if you dig in the article, Burke keeps saying he is not going to trade young players... which obviously what Gainey was looking for. On top of that he has not traded for a major defenseman, he would supposedly have traded a first round and a third round pick (less than what we got for Rivet).... He actually was seeking Guerin first... and all of that was Tuesday.
"I wanted to make a deal, but I stuck to draft picks. I told our younger players that I wouldn't trade them and I kept my word. But I did get May. He's a great character guy with a sunny disposition"-Burke
I think it is great that Gainey secured the first round pick a few days earlier, and the young guy. He obviously understood the dynamic of things.

But back to LaPresse, they only bothered to look at the " not calling me back" segment... and did not use the whole context of the article to draw a fair conclusion or interpretation

That tells me that LaPresse lacks credibility and now only seeks sensationalism.


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03-05-2007, 01:59 PM
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She worked as a sports journalist (not for long) in Georgia not in Russia.
So why does La Presse claim she is a 20 year vet of Russian sportswriting?

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La Presse did their job and they would not go with that story without a very credible source.
Why not? They've done it before.

They are also completely off base when it comes to Elena Botchorichvili, so it makes me wonder.

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Alright, I am thoroughly confused. Was the article a hoax or not?

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03-05-2007, 02:06 PM
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Why not? They've done it before.
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When you talk about a rumor, there is always a chance that you might be wrong.

La Presse have the (in my opinion) the most credible journalism. There a lot of animosity recently against them coming from this board because they are less positive than they used to be. Some posters here would defend the Habs managment, the players and the team like they would defend their own lives.

Sure they used sensiontalism from time to time, but they are a newspaper!

If the media would tell us everything they know, I am sure that we would be ready to pay 1 one way ticket to Kovalev in Russia, just like the Habs management did with Theodore, Ribeiro and Dagenais.

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03-05-2007, 02:09 PM
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http://www.radio-canada.ca/sports/ho...ev-suite.shtml

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In Montreal, only one Russian newspaper, the Soviet Sport, follows the Canadiens on a regular basis. The Canadiens beat writer, Gennady Boguslavsky, gives no credibility to this story.

"It's completely false", states Boguslavsky to Radio-Canada Sport. "The newspaper who translated the interview isn't serious, it's a daily looking for controversy."
Ouch. Everyone but la Presse seems to be piling on.

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03-05-2007, 02:12 PM
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Ouch. Everyone but la Presse seems to be piling on.
I say we boycott them for their attempt to disturb our team some more, with shaky stories.

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Ouch. Everyone but la Presse seems to be piling on.
La Press got pwned !!!!!

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03-05-2007, 02:15 PM
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When you talk about a rumor, there is always a chance that you might be wrong.

La Presse have the (in my opinion) the most credible journalism. There a lot of animosity recently against them coming from this board because they are less positive than they used to be. Some posters here would defend the Habs managment, the players and the team like they would defend their own lives.

Sure they used sensiontalism from time to time, but they are a newspaper!

If the media would tell us everything they know, I am sure that we would be ready to pay 1 one way ticket to Kovalev in Russia, just like the Habs management did with Theodore, Ribeiro and Dagenais.
It was really bad, what they did last year with the whole Theodore rumour. I mean, they literally took it from a message board and reported it as a done deal. That's insane, I even remember looking at the thread on Becketts and a guy there said "I'm a journalist for La Presse, please get in touch with me, etc etc etc." I mean, that's pretty shoddy, and this was reported on the front page, if I remember correctly.

They made a mistake. It happens. But in journalism, when you make a mistake like that, you lose credibility. They know it too, and the guy who reported that probably lost his job.

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La Press got pwned !!!!!
LOL. This is hilarious. Surely enough, victim or the internet, and its lingo on top of it.

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03-05-2007, 02:16 PM
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So why does La Presse claim she is a 20 year vet of Russian sportswriting?



Why not? They've done it before.

They are also completely off base when it comes to Elena Botchorichvili, so it makes me wonder.
Because Mathias Brunet tries to give more credibility to the story. Elena barely speaks french, I doubt she had anything to fo with the translation. I'm pretty sure Gourami Kakhadzé was the one who translated the article in french, or maybe she translated it to english and then La Presse made the french translation.. Brunet simply wanted to say his source and his translator were reliable...

I have nothing against Botchorichvili, but the '' 20 years of sports journalism '' is totally wrong.

I think her husband works for the sports section of La Presse.

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If this ends up being a hoax it's a perfect opportunity for Gainey to start buffering the media and the players

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03-05-2007, 02:30 PM
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honestly,

the content/quality of montreal newspapers for the canadiens is quite low in my opinion....im comparing the habs to the barcelonas, the yankees the madrids the liverpools of this world...and...

radio is very impressive in mtl with CKAC and Team990 with the massive calls etcc tv wise rds has its ligue en question once a week, 110% and au dessus de la melee..which i found dissapointing mind you i try to watch 110% as much as i can because its the only out there....

i like debates i want to hear other peoples opinion especially from the people who follow them everyday...

look at tsn and sportsnet they have so many funny quirky shows with players/officials (belak, fraser for ex) presentations are ten times better than rds ....rds is 10 years in behind of tsn and theyre both owned by CTV so go figure......

i could go on and on but im not good at writing a lot and actually making sense at the same time...

im surer many of you understand what im trying to say lolol

A plus

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03-05-2007, 04:58 PM
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Some of the posters just don't get it.

La Presse worked from teh russion text....asking someone to translate it from russian to french... assuming that the verbatim (transcription from audio to text in russion) is 100% accurate. They don't know if it is... they don't even know if there is an audio file for the whole thing...

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03-05-2007, 06:22 PM
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Lapierre + Latendresse = La Presse

Shhit-disturbing and overrated.

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03-05-2007, 06:23 PM
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They lost all their credibility.

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La Presse is the best newspaper in Canada. The globe and Mail is the only one I know that comes close and their sport coverage is very far from La Presse.

The pretend that one story can change that is really ridiculous.

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La Presse is the best newspaper in Canada. The globe and Mail is the only one I know that comes close and their sport coverage is very far from La Presse.

The pretend that one story can change that is really ridiculous.
Le Devoir is a much better written and credible paper any day. So is the Globe. La Presse is closer to the Toronto Star or The Gazette for comparison and nowhere in the league of the Globe. Unless all you care about is Sports, which is hardly serious journalism.

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Le Devoir is a much better written and credible paper any day. So is the Globe. La Presse is closer to the Toronto Star or The Gazette for comparison and nowhere in the league of the Globe. Unless all you care about is Sports, which is hardly serious journalism.
Le Devoir is the most biased newpaper in Quebec, they have some good writers but none are the level of Pierre Foglia. It's also a very limited journal, it's a good complement but they lack a lot of stuff.

I really like the Globe but I can't see what they have more than La Presse, both have very good columnists, "chroniques", politic and international coverage. I can't beleive you put La Presse in the same League than The Gazette and The Star. Those are English versions of The Journal de Montreal.

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La Presse I think has to be considered a very serious, credible and respectable newspaper...

I am uncertain, however, that the Sports section should be awarded the same reputation. While IMO it is still more credible than the Journal de Montreal, I'm not convinced it is quite up to the same standards as the rest of the newspaper.
Exactly. There is a greater chasm between Lysiane Gagnon and Alain Dubuc on the one hand and most of the hockey writers on the other hand, than separates Jeffrey Simpson from Eric Duhatschek at the Globe and Mail... if as a reader you don't like sensationalism. The latter writer sticks mostly to hockey issues, and is respectful of his subject when he doesn't.

La Presse's Sports section it seems tries to claw back readers of Le Journal de Montreal.

That said, when I return to Montreal now and then, I admit to enjoying the sensationalism of the Sports section. It's one of my guilty pleasures as returning expatriate.

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Lapierre + Latendresse = La Presse

Shhit-disturbing and overrated.
Interesting fusion. Never thought of that.

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Lapierre + Latendresse = La Presse

Shhit-disturbing and overrated.
Because they're french.

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