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04-22-2014, 11:58 PM
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Cederholm has one assist as the Rockets and the Winterhawks begin the first overtime period (tied 3-3).

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Random note:

I remember when we missed out on Antoine Laganiere a bunch of us considered Lain a consolation prize. Did anyone expect that he would outproduce Laganiere in the AHL and make his NHL debut this season?
I think it was expected Lain would have a lower ceiling but also a lower floor. Seeing him make the NHL and take some 4th line shifts wasn't a huge surprise IMO, though maybe it was a year earlier than many expected.

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Weren't a bunch of those guys moved because Tallon f'd up on getting his qualifying offers in on time?

Not really a strategy per se.
Also, Toews won the Conn Smythe which gave him a huge bonus ($6M?) which had to be carried into the next year forcing them to jettison contracts as well.

It was a bit of a perfect storm.

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04-23-2014, 05:06 AM
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Weren't a bunch of those guys moved because Tallon f'd up on getting his qualifying offers in on time?

Not really a strategy per se.
Yeah, this.

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small guys with skill .... don't we have that already in Jordan Schroeder?

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04-23-2014, 11:05 AM
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small guys with skill .... don't we have that already in Jordan Schroeder?
Are you referring to Nylander than Ehlers? Shroeder has less size and skill than either.

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04-23-2014, 11:10 AM
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Are you referring to Nylander than Ehlers? Shroeder has less size and skill than either.
yes, and I know, just trying to cause trouble.

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04-23-2014, 11:11 AM
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Are you referring to Nylander than Ehlers? Shroeder has less size and skill than either.
To be fair he weighs more than both

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To be fair he weighs more than both
He should hope so, given that he's six years older!

I understand that Schroeder is a gym rat, shame it couldn't make a difference...

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He should hope so, given that he's six years older!

I understand that Schroeder is a gym rat, shame it couldn't make a difference...
The Schroeder hate bandwagon is strong in here. He has underperformed, but he never really got a great chance with AV. He looked promising last preseason but then ran into injury problems and never really recovered.

That all being said, I don't there is a spot for him on the Canucks unless he's willing to sign a league minimum 2 way contract.

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04-23-2014, 12:54 PM
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The Schroeder hate bandwagon is strong in here. He has underperformed, but he never really got a great chance with AV. He looked promising last preseason but then ran into injury problems and never really recovered.

That all being said, I don't there is a spot for him on the Canucks unless he's willing to sign a league minimum 2 way contract.
Same as last year, 1 way vs 2 way doesn't matter, because he'd have to clear waivers to be sent down. I sure hope he realizes his career is in jeopardy if he doesn't show something (and soon) next season.

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Same as last year, 1 way vs 2 way doesn't matter, because he'd have to clear waivers to be sent down. I sure hope he realizes his career is in jeopardy if he doesn't show something (and soon) next season.
It think if Torts remains coach, there is not much sense in even qualifying Schroeder. With a new coach, who might actually give him a shot, it's still 50/50 on whether or not it is worth a contract spot. I still think that under the right conditions (big, skilled linemates in a 3rd line role) he could be an NHLer, but he really has something to prove now. If he's exposed to waivers and we lose him, I hope at least he lands on a team that will give him a shot.

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04-23-2014, 02:10 PM
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I don't hate Schroeder.

Generally I'm very patient with prospects - I was screaming at everyone we had nothing but time with Jensen - but that patience has limits. Basically, if they haven't established themselves into some sort of NHL role by the time their post-ELC contract has expired, time to cut your losses.

There's a lot of competition for spots both ahead of him and below him. I simply don't think there's a spot in the organization for him anymore, unless it's on the bench, which isn't fair to him..

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It think if Torts remains coach, there is not much sense in even qualifying Schroeder. With a new coach, who might actually give him a shot, it's still 50/50 on whether or not it is worth a contract spot. I still think that under the right conditions (big, skilled linemates in a 3rd line role) he could be an NHLer, but he really has something to prove now. If he's exposed to waivers and we lose him, I hope at least he lands on a team that will give him a shot.
Agreed on both counts, Torts has shown he has no use for Schroeder, but I'd like to see him get a chance with some decent linemates. He and Kassian had good chemistry in Chicago. Maybe Booth on the other wing.

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04-23-2014, 03:08 PM
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I don't hate Schroeder.

Generally I'm very patient with prospects - I was screaming at everyone we had nothing but time with Jensen - but that patience has limits. Basically, if they haven't established themselves into some sort of NHL role by the time their post-ELC contract has expired, time to cut your losses.

There's a lot of competition for spots both ahead of him and below him. I simply don't think there's a spot in the organization for him anymore, unless it's on the bench, which isn't fair to him..
I agree. Im willing to give Schroeder more time to establish himself and show what he can do in the NHL.

He didnt do much this season but he had tough luck with injuries and linemates. He's shown some flashes here and there and I really want to see the coaching staff try to capitalize on that and draw that part of his game out more.

One thing I really like about him is his hustle, you can see him hauling it every time hes on the ice and I think his speed was impacted a bit by the ankle injury. Last year he was displaying top end NHL speed consistently and even though he isnt a Gallagher (Gallagher has an inhumane engine, shouldnt have to compare many to him ) he still has that drive.

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Agreed on both counts, Torts has shown he has no use for Schroeder, but I'd like to see him get a chance with some decent linemates. He and Kassian had good chemistry in Chicago. Maybe Booth on the other wing.
If Booth stays and can play like he has over the last 10 or so games Id like that. Kassian might be able to get even faster this offseason if his last two signify anything and that would be a great third line if Schroeder can get his offensive game going.

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I always thought that a mostly offensive player like Schroeder should be absolutely ripping it up in the AHL before moving up to the big show. Unfortunately, injuries prevented him from really putting together a full dominant season down there. I don't think playing as a 13th forward is going to help him much. He could be a candidate to go overseas and kill it for a bit in a top line role in Sweden or Switzerland or something. It might help him in the long run but I don't see him being a big fan of that. He's in a tough spot right now.

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04-23-2014, 03:28 PM
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Yeah i dont see how we can re-sign Schroeder. He will be 25 by the end of next year. We just dont have the time to develop him any further.

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Yeah i dont see how we can re-sign Schroeder. He will be 25 by the end of next year. We just dont have the time to develop him any further.
Unless the Canucks are planning to contend for the cup next year (doubt it) they have lots of time to develop him.

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Unless the Canucks are planning to contend for the cup next year (doubt it) they have lots of time to develop him.
Waste of a roster spot imo. Hes wont randomly turn into a 50 point top 6 forward. Which is the only way i can see him being a full time NHLer.

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Waste of a roster spot imo. Hes wont randomly turn into a 50 point top 6 forward. Which is the only way i can see him being a full time NHLer.
Every team needs depth forwards. His qualifying is only 660,000 which is pretty close to minimum. I could see him in a role where he plays a lot in Utica and can be recalled in case of injury. If we lose him on waivers, oh well, every team has guys like him going up and down during the season.

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I agree. Im willing to give Schroeder more time to establish himself and show what he can do in the NHL.
We don't actually agree, then.

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Every team needs depth forwards. His qualifying is only 660,000 which is pretty close to minimum. I could see him in a role where he plays a lot in Utica and can be recalled in case of injury. If we lose him on waivers, oh well, every team has guys like him going up and down during the season.
I dont even think hes waiver eligible anymore. Some team will just pick him up if he does anything good. Hes going to be 24/25 soon. How long are you going to let him develop? till hes 28? Schroeder isnt a role player. He has 0 grit and does nothing if hes not putting up points.

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Whether we should have drafted him in the 1st round is another matter, but most smaller players who make it actually seem to break out at a later age, at around 25/26 i.e generally they take longer to establish themselves in the NHL. I'm not opposed to re-signing him for league minimum again - and it would be in his best interest to do so. Having someone who can actually play isn't the worst thing in the world at 600k.

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