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04-22-2014, 08:13 PM
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He just seems so composed all the time. Even his scrumming looks calculated. I love watching it. He'll have a dead, "doing business" look while the other guy looks agitated.

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04-22-2014, 10:53 PM
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Its time to get another third line center on here and give this guy a legitimate two way role. He's too good for lugging around read and whoever the **** else at even strength. Also, PP

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He just seems so composed all the time. Even his scrumming looks calculated. I love watching it. He'll have a dead, "doing business" look while the other guy looks agitated.
Yep. He'll give a guy a shove just hard enough to piss him off but won't do it too hard and often to where he'll get a penalty. Then he just stares and smiles at them with that toothless grin of his. He's a good troll

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I'm surprised to hear so many people waiting for him to get faster. I don't see it happening. Guys get stronger, but most players are as fast as they're ever going to be at age 21. Even if he lifts legs all off-season specifically for fast twitch strength, I don't see it getting that much better. He's a slow-mover, but he does his thing when he gets where he's going so I'm not mad.

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I'm surprised to hear so many people waiting for him to get faster. I don't see it happening. Guys get stronger, but most players are as fast as they're ever going to be at age 21. Even if he lifts legs all off-season specifically for fast twitch strength, I don't see it getting that much better. He's a slow-mover, but he does his thing when he gets where he's going so I'm not mad.
He's really not all that slow when he gets going. His acceleration is the weak link in his skating. Like you said though, as long as he gets stronger, which will make him harder to move off the puck, he'll be fine.

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I like Couts. I really do. But, I find it funny that he always gets a pass from this fan base when not contributing at all offensively.

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I like Couts. I really do. But, I find it funny that he always gets a pass from this fan base when not contributing at all offensively.
Because he's not used in an offensive role. He's never given power play time, or even so much as offensive zone starts. They need a Manny Malholtra who will take those responsibilities away from him, because Couturier is an excellent possession player. Give him a top-line offensive producer on his line as well, he's had to drag around Downie, McGinn, Rinaldo, etc.

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Because he's not used in an offensive role. He's never given power play time, or even so much as offensive zone starts. They need a Manny Malholtra who will take those responsibilities away from him, because Couturier is an excellent possession player. Give him a top-line offensive producer on his line as well, he's had to drag around Downie, McGinn, Rinaldo, etc.
Yep.

Read is in a massive slump, so his line is pretty much him and Akeson....a possession guy and a rookie playmaker.

It's his job to shut down the other team's top line. With Giroux's line drawing the tough D matchups from NYR, this is where Vinny was supposed to pay off...or Schenn was supposed to start coming into his own. Both have been massively underwhelming or downright awful.

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I like Couts. I really do. But, I find it funny that he always gets a pass from this fan base when not contributing at all offensively.
How much offense is to be expected when he spends the majority of the time starting out in the defensive zone against the best forwards in the league?

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04-23-2014, 10:45 AM
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I like Couts. I really do. But, I find it funny that he always gets a pass from this fan base when not contributing at all offensively.
Flyers top 10 ES scorers this season

Giroux 49
Voracek 39
Simmonds 36
Read 34
Hartnell 32
BSchenn 32
Couturier 31
Streit 29
Lecavalier 24
Raffl 22

Please explain how Couturier has not contributed at all offensively this season.

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I like Couts. I really do. But, I find it funny that he always gets a pass from this fan base when not contributing at all offensively.
Just ignore. We've been through this argument a million times. It's at a point of ridiculousness.

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Flyers top 10 ES scorers this season

Giroux 49
Voracek 39
Simmonds 36
Read 34
Hartnell 32
BSchenn 32
Couturier 31
Streit 29
Lecavalier 24
Raffl 22

Please explain how Couturier has not contributed at all offensively this season.

How he doesn't get ANY significant minutes on the PP is beyond me.

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04-23-2014, 12:34 PM
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How he doesn't get ANY significant minutes on the PP is beyond me.
He can only play so many minutes. They need him to kill penalties and play against top lines. He can't play the PP too. It's the same reason Berube took Giroux off the 2nd PK unit.

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Right now Akeson is a better choice for the 2nd PP unit anyway.

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He can only play so many minutes. They need him to kill penalties and play against top lines. He can't play the PP too. It's the same reason Berube took Giroux off the 2nd PK unit.
I know they aren't at the same level but Toews is the hawks' main pk guy and is on 1st line pp. is it too much to ask for couts to get 2nd line pp minutes?

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I know they aren't at the same level but Toews is the hawks' main pk guy and is on 1st line pp. is it too much to ask for couts to get 2nd line pp minutes?
Couturier gets more PK time per 60 minutes than any other forward in the NHL and gets some of the toughest ES minutes in the league. The kid does more than enough. Maybe he could get some easier minutes and PP time if so many of the other forwards weren't somewhat defensive liabilities.

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Flyers top 10 ES scorers this season

Giroux 49
Voracek 39
Simmonds 36
Read 34
Hartnell 32
BSchenn 32
Couturier 31
Streit 29
Lecavalier 24
Raffl 22

Please explain how Couturier has not contributed at all offensively this season.
"Not contributed" is probably a poor choice of words. "Should contribute more" is probably a better choice.

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He can only play so many minutes. They need him to kill penalties and play against top lines. He can't play the PP too. It's the same reason Berube took Giroux off the 2nd PK unit.
They're using him in such a way he's like an arch built too much on one side. Other defensive forwards get PP time. Do they think he wouldn't be good on the PP? Not sure.

Other Selke "discussion" type forwards get PP time.

Perhaps it is that they need him to long 18 minutes of mostly defensive play because the other centers are trash defensively. Perhaps they can pair that back a hair if Laughton is good.

He could play the PP more, however. He's logging ~18 minutes a game. Give him two minutes less defensive play, let him play 22 minutes a game (max, if needed). That would give him 8 minutes of PP time available per game (even if he doesn't use it).

It makes me look more towards they do not like him on the PP or he often gets shifted nearer to when a PP opens up.

That PP2 unit stinks. He couldn't break into that? It needs to be reforged.

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They're using him in such a way he's like an arch built too much on one side. Other defensive forwards get PP time. Do they think he wouldn't be good on the PP? Not sure.

Other Selke "discussion" type forwards get PP time.

Perhaps it is that they need him to long 18 minutes of mostly defensive play because the other centers are trash defensively. Perhaps they can pair that back a hair if Laughton is good.

He could play the PP more, however. He's logging ~18 minutes a game. Give him two minutes less defensive play, let him play 22 minutes a game (max, if needed). That would give him 8 minutes of PP time available per game (even if he doesn't use it).

It makes me look more towards they do not like him on the PP or he often gets shifted nearer to when a PP opens up.

That PP2 unit stinks. He couldn't break into that? It needs to be reforged.
I wonder if it's really that he "couldn't" break into it, or Berube wouldn't let him? Several players were infinite trash on that unit and got limitless opportunities. Sort of like how someone like Grossmann can be terrible for ages and never, ever be held accountable.

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Couturier gets more PK time per 60 minutes than any other forward in the NHL and gets some of the toughest ES minutes in the league. The kid does more than enough. Maybe he could get some easier minutes and PP time if so many of the other forwards weren't somewhat defensive liabilities.
That's probably a big reason why Laughton was drafted - alleviate some of the burden on Couturier with regards to the PK and the tough ES minutes.

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They're using him in such a way he's like an arch built too much on one side. Other defensive forwards get PP time. Do they think he wouldn't be good on the PP? Not sure.

Other Selke "discussion" type forwards get PP time.

Perhaps it is that they need him to long 18 minutes of mostly defensive play because the other centers are trash defensively. Perhaps they can pair that back a hair if Laughton is good.

He could play the PP more, however. He's logging ~18 minutes a game. Give him two minutes less defensive play, let him play 22 minutes a game (max, if needed). That would give him 8 minutes of PP time available per game (even if he doesn't use it).

It makes me look more towards they do not like him on the PP or he often gets shifted nearer to when a PP opens up.

That PP2 unit stinks. He couldn't break into that? It needs to be reforged.
I think that's the reason, and the hope I have for Laughton. .

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"Not contributed" is probably a poor choice of words. "Should contribute more" is probably a better choice.
Appleyard has shown how difficult it is to produce points when given assignments similar to what he receives. News flash: It's really ****ing hard. Of all the comparable players, no one produces much more than him. Even saying "Should contribute more" is still a poor choice of words. He's 21 years old and is playing his role brilliantly. I don't see how you can even slightly criticize this kid. He's put in a position to fail, and he still looks great on a nightly basis.

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Horrible thought just went through my mind. Maybe Couts would stand a better chance seeing power play time if they hadn't traded Talbot.

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Appleyard has shown how difficult it is to produce points when given assignments similar to what he receives. News flash: It's really ****ing hard. Of all the comparable players, no one produces much more than him. Even saying "Should contribute more" is still a poor choice of words. He's 21 years old and is playing his role brilliantly. I don't see how you can even slightly criticize this kid. He's put in a position to fail, and he still looks great on a nightly basis.
Lies, damn lies and statistics. I don't put stock into statistical arguments, especially ones that try to quantify quality of competition.

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Horrible thought just went through my mind. Maybe Couts would stand a better chance seeing power play time if they hadn't traded Talbot.
They did keep carting Downie out there

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