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04-27-2014, 02:37 PM
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If Gus starts Tuesdsy, Berube is basically saying he screwed up today.
Nothing wrong with admitting a mistake

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The fact that we have 14.50M per year tied up in Lecavalier, Streit, and Hartnell for eternity pretty much insures this team can't win a cup...too much cap room tied into players that aren't earning it. Sad but true
I like what Streit has done this season. I'm right there with you on Lecavalier and Hartnell though.

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Nothing wrong with admitting a mistake
I agree, you think he'll do it? I think Chief is too stubborn.

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In fact, that is a sign of maturity.

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I agree, you think he'll do it? I think Chief is too stubborn.
I ****ing hope so.

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Streit is earning his pay, that what guys like him make. Vinny and Harts have been brutal though , 10 mill for those two hurts bad in a cap world.

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04-27-2014, 02:40 PM
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I agree with you, I just think todays loss had more to do with so many players playing like **** than it did coaching decisions. Berube doesn't put them in the best position to win, but they didn't help themselves at all.
Well, I mean the roster isn't an elite roster to begin with and it's supposed to be a closely contested series to begin with. So if the coach is setting them up to fail to an extent from the start then chances are they're going to fail at times. We needed goals this game and throughout the first two periods our heaviest played forwards were our shutdown ones then even after all three periods some of our best offensive players had pathetic ice-time. Then you have a guy like Laughton sitting for Rinaldo, Gustafsson sitting for Gill, and the whole Timonen/Streit PP thing still. That's all going to hurt offensive production. Offensive production is directly linked to offensive opportunity and that is directly linked to ice-time plus special teams.

So I really can't fault the players too much when I feel like they might as well be being set up to fail in the first place. I see it as a byproduct of Berube more then anything else (more then the key part), but I get how some don't see it that way.

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Why this isn't the lineup is absolutely beyond me.
Hartnell needs to be demoted every 30 games or so to play better. The lines looked better and change is always welcome after a loss.

Grossmann out already for 6 means it's serious and likely for game 7. Got to give Gus a go here. There's no way you stick with gill considering it was a boardline call with gill

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Are people really blaming Streit? He's easily been our best D this series with only Luke and maybe Coburn having an argument.

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Well, I mean the roster isn't an elite roster to begin with and it's supposed to be a closely contested series to begin with. So if the coach is setting them up to fail to an extent from the start then chances are they're going to fail at times. We needed goals this game and throughout the first two periods our heaviest played forwards were our shutdown ones then even after all three periods some of our best offensive players had pathetic ice-time. Then you have a guy like Laughton sitting for Rinaldo, Gustafsson sitting for Gill, and the whole Timonen/Streit PP thing still. That's all going to hurt offensive production. Offensive production is directly linked to offensive opportunity and that is directly linked to ice-time plus special teams.

So I really can't fault the players too much when I feel like they might as well be being set up to fail in the first place. I see it as a byproduct of Berube more then anything else (more then the key part), but I get how some don't see it that way.
True. I like the anti-Bylsma comparison, he definitely tries too hard to get matchups instead of playing his best players. His lineup decisions are pathetic, but at least he started making adjustments at the end switching Hartnell and Schenn. I hope he keeps it and adjusts some other things that people here have suggested.

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Nothing wrong with admitting a mistake
This is the thing people are missing, he doesn't think it is a mistake.

Playing Gil today is almost like he is trolling us, no other coach or organization makes that call, none. Our coach just isn't that smart.

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Are people really blaming Streit? He's easily been our best D this series with only Luke and maybe Coburn having an argument.
He's probably been our best D all year really. I shudder to think of what this D group and offense look like in the season without him and Gus being in bench hell.

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04-27-2014, 02:43 PM
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I feel like Berube should be getting the majority of the heat here and he isn't so I'm just gonna throw out some facts.
Since Emery started Game 3, Berube has been getting all of the heat.

This entire thread is calling out Berube.

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Streit is earning his pay, that what guys like him make. Vinny and Harts have been brutal though , 10 mill for those two hurts bad in a cap world.
As I said earlier, I like what Streit has done this season. He's certainly earned his pay this year. However, he is under contract at a $5.25mill/year for 3 more years. How good will Streit be when he's 37 or 38 or even 39? Good player, bad contract.

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Since Emery started Game 3, Berube has been getting all of the heat.

This entire thread is calling out Berube.
I'm interested to see if the media (not that they are any good at their jobs) calls out Berube. Instead they'll most likely attack Giroux.

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Since Emery started Game 3, Berube has been getting all of the heat.

This entire thread is calling out Berube.
He's gotten like zero heat all season from the media that I can recall and I feel like even a lot of people here are blaming the players a bit too much for being put in bad positions in the first place.

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They have every right to call out Berube. He hasn't been great at maximizing our best players' opportunities. Instead, he's been giving too much ice time to the 4th line and not enough to the 1st line. I think someone mentioned earlier that he's been focusing too much on line match-ups. I agree. Line matching has to be done to an extent, but it doesn't make sense to do it ad nauseum. He needs to put our best players out on the ice as much as possible. If they don't come through, then the team doesn't deserve to advance - simple as that.

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Any 2nd line centered by Lecavalier is destined to fail. I don't know why this isn't blatantly obvious. Raffl, Schenn, and Laughton (yes) are all clearly better choices.

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Since Emery started Game 3, Berube has been getting all of the heat.

This entire thread is calling out Berube.
95% of us said dressing Zac is wrong, he was useless again, don't think he threw a hit

We also said playing Gil was wrong , he was directly or indirectly responsible for 2 Rags goals and 1 non Flyer goal. We all knew it was gonna be a bad move, we are calling out Berube because everything we have called him out on before the games is happening.

These decisions are the wrong decisions and are costing us games.

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Why this isn't the lineup is absolutely beyond me.
I agree except Laughton should not be taking faceoffs. He'd get eaten up.

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That being said, it's his first year coaching an NHL team and he did a great job turning them around. Berube deserves at least till the end of next season, in my opinion.

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This is the thing people are missing, he doesn't think it is a mistake.

Playing Gil today is almost like he is trolling us, no other coach or organization makes that call, none. Our coach just isn't that smart.
I was okay with Gill playing today. I would definitely not go back to him for Game 6, especially since it's an elimination game.

I'd take Rinaldo out, too. But, given the fact that he got a regular shift in the third, I fully expect that he'll be back in the lineup.

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They have every right to call out Berube. He hasn't been great at maximizing our best players' opportunities. Instead, he's been giving too much ice time to the 4th line and not enough to the 1st line. I think someone mentioned earlier that he's been focusing too much on line match-ups. I agree. Line matching has to be done to an extent, but it doesn't make sense to do it ad nauseum. He needs to put our best players out on the ice as much as possible. If they don't come through, then the team doesn't deserve to advance - simple as that.
Well, were also playing the Rangers. Aside from St. Louis who is really worth being scared of offensively on that roster? Watch out for St. Louis and maybe try to get Giroux out against the weakest competition. That's about the most line matching to be done.

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The fact that we have 14.50M per year tied up in Lecavalier, Streit, and Hartnell for eternity pretty much insures this team can't win a cup...too much cap room tied into players that aren't earning it. Sad but true
The guy in bold had a great season, and will score even more points next year when he's on the top PP unit. Lumping him in with Vinny who was -16 is ludicrous.

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As I said earlier, I like what Streit has done this season. He's certainly earned his pay this year. However, he is under contract at a $5.25mill/year for 3 more years. How good will Streit be when he's 37 or 38 or even 39? Good player, bad contract.
Streit has way less miles on him than most 36 year olds. He'll be fine unless he gets injured.


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He's gotten like zero heat all season from the media that I can recall and I feel like even a lot of people here are blaming the players a bit too much for being put in bad positions in the first place.
I have gotten replies from a few Flyers media ( San F, Meltzer). They all agree with almost every move the Flyers make and don't question them. It's pathetic. Keeps that loser culture alive and well.

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He's gotten like zero heat all season from the media that I can recall and I feel like even a lot of people here are blaming the players a bit too much for being put in bad positions in the first place.
It's the media; what do you expect?

Have you not seen the horrible questions asked by other media members in these playoffs alone? To Patrick Kane: have you ever scored a playoff OT winner before?

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