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03-09-2007, 08:46 AM
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big thing is that he didn't look out of place. he was thrown right into the fire and looked like he belonged...now we just have to hope that renney increases his ice time in future games.

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I don't remember him losing one faceoff. That's the kind of guy you need around in the playoffs... Someone who can win you those key faceoffs.
nhl.com game stats had him 5-1 (83%) on draws

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03-09-2007, 08:48 AM
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I think Dubi had a great first game. Remember this wasnt a game late in the season with nothign on the line. This was the biggest game of the season, as is every game here on out.

The kid played with a defense first mindset, was careful but jump on the puck a few times when it was deep in the Islanders zone. He wasnt flashy, but he skated well, opened himself up in the passing lanes, almost had an assist late in the game and did what he had to do.


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03-09-2007, 08:52 AM
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I don't remember him losing one faceoff. That's the kind of guy you need around in the playoffs... Someone who can win you those key faceoffs.
He won 5 out of 6.

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03-09-2007, 09:03 AM
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I was thinking more along the likes of Super Mario.
Huh? Let's not get carried away here...

Impressive debut for Dubi last night. I liked what I saw.

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Huh? Let's not get carried away here...
Pretty sure that was a joke...

Haven't seen the game yet, but good to hear he looked good out there.

Makes me wonder if he'll stay up, or if he'll get sent back down at some point

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03-09-2007, 09:13 AM
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Really like what I saw out of Dubinsky...Nothing spectacular, but he was solid...What I liked was that for a 20 year old kid on the NHL level, he looked like he knew how to play the NHL game, knew where to be, and played very smartly...But you could also see he has the skill set...And he didn't shy away...

The only negative, if you want to call it that, is that he just isn;t strong enough yet to play physically in the NHL.He ran into Hill and fell down like a sack of potatoes..But that will be taken care of by Father time and some off-season strenthening...He's a keeper...

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03-09-2007, 09:30 AM
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Impressive debut, but was it me, or did he fall like 30 times out there?

I think the Ice was bad, but it seemed like he had a skate problem or something and was taking a spill on every quick cut.

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03-09-2007, 09:34 AM
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two words..

Gretzky
Dubinsky


coincedence? i think not!

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03-09-2007, 09:51 AM
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The only negative, if you want to call it that, is that he just isn;t strong enough yet to play physically in the NHL.He ran into Hill and fell down like a sack of potatoes..
In his defense though, Hill is a solid guy and a lot of players go down when they try to hit him.

I was happy with Dibinsky. Like mentioned already, he didn't look lost or out of place. On his first shift he snapped a hard shot off a Straka pass real quick and on goal with a guy all over him. I was impressed with that.

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03-09-2007, 09:54 AM
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The thing that has to jump out at people is that Schony is schooling these kids on playing a solid 2 way game. That is so important. He appears to be good on draws. He sees the ice well and plays the way I like to see centerman play in their own end. He covers the slot and clogs the middle where the quality scoring chances come from.
I've started to really admire Schony. Not because how HFD are playing as a team, or how he motivates the players, it should never be a problem with a team with a avg age around 21...

But I really like how steady he is with the basics. He seems to be very astute and precise, its so obvious that he have been around the game for a long time.

You often hear him say something thats kind of extremely basic, but when you see HFD play, and think about it, you understand that it might be real easy for a kid there to forget about the basics, focus on other more advanced stuff ect. Some time ago he talked about how Korpikoski had to try to make his "move" earlier, for example how he needed to go hard from the get go if he got the puck in the neutral zone and had intentions to beat a D wide. It sounds like it ought to be a given, but I think it can be really easy for a young player to kind of take it easy through the neutralzone and try to evaluate the situation to long, you know to think "am I gooing to pass/shoot/go wide" untill you get close to the net and then make a decision, instead of make that decision in the neutralzone and go frm there. Korpedo always ended up in the corners early in the season, he beat his D but did it too late. Thats something he have changed now, and its so obvious that its Schoneys words who got him on the right track.

Another thing that Schoney have talked about is to always have a backup plan, to atleast get the puck on the net for example. Thats another thing that HFD does really well. You know with the puck you always got some room to do something, its very easy and common for some players to always try to explore that room, and more often then not accomplish nothing. A example, lets say HFD breaks in 4 on 3 and the winger got the puck and he got a little bit of room to try to hit the D joining the play with a high risk pass, but all other alternatives are kind of closed, he got a very bad angle to take a shot and practically no oppertunity to score. Its very easy for a young player to always go for that high risk pass. You know, to evaluate the situation and go for the best possible option. What Schoney have stressed though is to not go for a risky option if its not worth it, to always have in the back of your mind that you can just lift the puck on the net and get a faceoff for example. Thats not something HFD did early in the year, but have started to do allot better lately.

Schoney seems to be really accurate at recognizing these small details and correct them. I've seen them about once per month, and there have been improvement just about all the time.

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Impressive debut, but was it me, or did he fall like 30 times out there?
Dubinsky had a severe skating issue only 2 years ago. He were really really choppy. He kind of ran on his skates, and could beat players with a long first step and quick feets. But it weren't pretty, and he had no speed at all gooing long distances.

BB have covered Dubinsky and how much he have worked on his skating during the offseasons. He is now pretty fast gooing forward, and it doesn't look all that bad at all. Now he can keep up with just about anyone in straight lines. Thats defenitly a result of his work during our summercamps, amazing results actually. He we drafted Dubinsky 6 years ago, its possible he would be in the ECHL now, I defenitly think Dubinsky is as good of a proof there is how much our "off-ice" organization is gooing to pay off in the future, and how much it hurt us not developing our kids properly before.

Though I still feel he got a major balance issue when turning. You often see him move his arms to keep balance if he makes a sharp turn, thats defenitly a sign that something isn't right there.

I think thats the reason why he falls so much. It wouldn't have looked so odd if he skated as bad in general as he did 2 years ago, now it looks odd since he skates pretty well gooing forward, and can turn well under his conditions, but when he is forced to make a sharp turn in a degree he aren't used to, he often just tilts over or loose his feets. Like if there is a rebound and Dubinsky trys to make a sharp turn to pick it up, you often see him go down. If he got the puck on his stick its diffrent since he can dictate what degrees to turn and kind of are in controll.

Its defenitly not a strength/balance issue, he is really solid on his feets when he got balance.

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03-09-2007, 10:09 AM
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Love the way this kid is looking

Surprised i'm the first one to say.....

SHELLY DUBINSKY !!!!


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Not happy with his minutes.

Was hoping for 10+ minutes but considering this teams history I'll take the 8+ and hope for more against the Pens.

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He we drafted Dubinsky 6 years ago, its possible he would be in the ECHL now, I defenitly think Dubinsky is as good of a proof there is how much our "off-ice" organization is gooing to pay off in the future, and how much it hurt us not developing our kids properly before.

I appreciate the rest of the info, but this bit had me going "Huh?"

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Not happy with his minutes.

Was hoping for 10+ minutes but considering this teams history I'll take the 8+ and hope for more against the Pens.
It was basically a tight do-or-die PO game and Dubi's first experience in the NHL...I could have handled another few minutes for Brandon, but I think the ice time was just about right for his intorduction into the leage and what he was doing out there...Like you siad, hopefully we build on that this weekend with more ice time---if he's playing well..

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03-09-2007, 10:54 AM
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Exactly Mel, you start him out slowly and he'll earn his minutes.

Joe Mic said it best last night. The Rangers couldve called up Callahan but decided not to, cause he's now learning how to play when teams target him. Thats why alot of fans who call for 'so and so' to be recalled are wrong just 'cause he's scoring'.

Points are nice, but you want a well rounded player coming up(and staying up), who can adjust his game, and i'm happy to report that Hartford seems to be doing some very good work.

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there was a lot of special teams play, plus it was a HUGE game..

8 is understandable..

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I appreciate the rest of the info, but this bit had me going "Huh?"
Yeah, if he had not gotten help with his skating I don't even think he would be contributing much in the AHL, especially not with the speed in the game today.

Renney have put togther the best off-ice coaches outthere to develop our kids in the summer camps. There is a legendary skatingcoach from Russia, one Swede that I've heard of in other situations thats a specialist on abs, he have become pretty famous and many others.

Working off ice during the summers can't be underestimated when it comes to developing a young hockeyplayer, probably atleast 50% these days. I seriously belives that, 50% pure talent 50% work off ice. Hockey is a extremely demanding sports in terms of strength.

And the best way to work out is defenitly not to just hit the gym and improve your results in terms of max weights. This is not something a young kid can figure out for himself, and its not something that you can do good enough. The better its done the better the results will be.

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03-09-2007, 11:52 AM
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I also was happy with Dubinsky's play. He made simple quick passes, and I thought he did a pretty good job in puck support and defense when he did not have the puck. And he definitely seemed quick enough in a straight line, and strong enough. He has got plenty of time to develop…. let me day dream about a Brind'Amour type player:
• solid two way player
• incredibly strong
• super in face offs
• perhaps not the number one offensive center, but the person you want at the faceoff dot with 30 seconds left in a game seven regardless of the score.

Ola - thanks for the description of his skating and why he fell so much. I didn't count but I'd guess he fell like 6 times out there. Obviously everyone falls sometimes, but it was a bit extreme. I was going to pass it off as just nervousness - but perhaps not.

I wasn't happy with his ice time but also wasn't surprised. I am really curious to see how his ice time changes over the coming games. I thought Dawes, Callahan, and Immonen all played fairly well - when they played. But none of them received increased ice time and managed to actually join the team and make a real contribution. An exception this year is of course Girardi, who is up to averaging 14:43 a game. I don't understand this - what did the other rookies do wrong? Can Dubinsky follow Girardi in joining the team - or will he just get limited ice time for a while and then be sent down? Perhaps this time the necessity of injuries let Dubinsky actually join the team?

It seems to me that with Straka's shoulder injury - we need someone to take faceoffs for the rest of the season. So that is either Immonen or Dubinsky.

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Girardi is also a D-man.. thats why he's getting more time.. and he's very solid amongst some not so solid players..

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I know I may get flamed for this and I know his upside is much higher but he played a Hossa type game last night.

good defensively, STRONG along the boards, created some offensive chances. He was more much aggresive in getting the puck though.

He will be a much better player. My hope for the playoffs is that players like Dubinsky, Staal, Sauer, Callahan and others that may be on the roster next year get the experience of playing in the intensity of NHL playoffs.

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Impressive. Much bigger than I thought he was. Maybe he was listed really light when drafted, like 170? Nice shift in the third with I think Avery and Straka just before the the Simon thing. Held his own. Haven't benn impressed with his Pack stats but this was a perfect example that stats don't always tell the whole story. He had the puck on his stick a lot for a guy playing his first NHL game for someone who isn't a stud like Crosby or Malkin.

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Over 10 minutes of ice time today

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Over 10 minutes of ice time today
Didn't look out of place or clueless...and showed some real determination getting knocked down and still trying to get a shot off.

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