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04-30-2014, 06:17 PM
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I got an interesting question. Does anyone think a team would take our 2014 1st rounder if its a high pick for their 2015 first rounder?

In my mind, if someone would take our 2014 1st rounder for their 2015 first rounder, its a no brainer. If we could some how pick up an extra 2015 first rounder, there is always a chance we could luck into one of the franchise changing players that the 2015 draft will have without having to have a bad season.

Sather would be too much of an idiot to think of something creative like that. He would probably trade our 2015 first rounder.
Sorry, this is the price of you winning premonition award for calling it!

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04-30-2014, 06:44 PM
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Lots of great stuff thanks to all.

So, we appear to be picking 19th.
1. Our best prospect
a) at 19
b) if we can trade up [how far we can expect to move up]

2. Any big deal not involving McDonagh/Kreider using a player asset so we can try to really move WAY up or get a top, top pick.

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04-30-2014, 11:05 PM
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Well, if we advance past the 2nd round, we'd have to trade very, very far up.
Hm had forget that conditional 1st pick. Man lose the EFC final this year would suck so ****ing hard.

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You really think he'll vault that high? I see him as a late first at best. He's certainly improved quite a bit, but that improvement also coincided with a move to the wing. That might temper expectations a bit.
I see very few Canadian prospects his size. Big talented Canadians go early. Jason Dickinson was a similar player in last years draft, he went late first but had a great post draft season and would maybe go much higher if that draft was held again. I think some teams see that this time around.

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late 1st/early 2nd.

numbers game. i have lots of good players ahead of him.
So do I but I can see some teams go with a CHL player over others.

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05-02-2014, 09:46 AM
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I see very few Canadian prospects his size. Big talented Canadians go early. Jason Dickinson was a similar player in last years draft, he went late first but had a great post draft season and would maybe go much higher if that draft was held again. I think some teams see that this time around.



So do I but I can see some teams go with a CHL player over others.
hey bn, thoughts on kootenays rinat valiev. similar game to our old friend fedor tyutin. plays for a solid coach in ryan mcgill who knows a bit about defense.

offensive dman with some snarl. 6'1 195 frame. good shot. good skater.

perhaps a guy whos worth a shot in round 3

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hey bn, thoughts on kootenays rinat valiev. similar game to our old friend fedor tyutin. plays for a solid coach in ryan mcgill who knows a bit about defense.

offensive dman with some snarl. 6'1 195 frame. good shot. good skater.

perhaps a guy whos worth a shot in round 3

thoughts ?
Most mocks that I've been in have seen him go from late 5th to late 7th rounder. I think there is better talent in the 3rd round, but definitely a solid steal in the later rounds.

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05-02-2014, 08:17 PM
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According to the poster, Renegade Stylings (who works in the business), posted saying the Rangers and LA Kings have a MAJOR interest in Nikita Scherbak.

He said this is in the prospects portion of HF in the "Rumors of teams liking certain players" thread.

Now I mean I'm taking this with a grain of salt, but if true what do you guys think?
I like him and don't think he gets nearly the respect he should. He's not as hyped or well rounded as some talents and he seems to be a kid who is lost in the shuffle a little bit. He's got a higher percentage of being a bust pick than some of the players in his range, but he also has a chance to be a guy that other teams wonder how they missed.

The pros - he's a kid who seems to want it. He's committed to playing in the NHL and he's hungry to learn. He engages the opposition and his offensive instincts are very, very good. He sees the ice very well, reads defenses well and did a very good job of using his linemates - not an easy task on a rebuilding team. He's got a good frame to grow into and he moves very smooth. It's not just speed or agility with him, it is fluidity.

The Cons - he needs to get stronger, especially if he is willing to engage other players physically. Physically, he reminds me of Anisimov at the same age. Both guys were below average in strength heading into their draft years. He needs to commit to his own end, he was not consistent in that area. I'd also like to see him bring it every night. He raised the bar for himself and now he has to raise his linemates to his level, not downshift to match them. That could be developed as his team improves around him. Still, I think he's going to be the kind of guy who needs energetic linemates to raise his game.

Overall he's right in the mix when we'd pick. Other guys have higher odds of being NHL players, or are closer to being NHL guys. But I think he's closer to the top end of the draft when it comes to natural talent.

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05-03-2014, 02:21 PM
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hey bn, thoughts on kootenays rinat valiev. similar game to our old friend fedor tyutin. plays for a solid coach in ryan mcgill who knows a bit about defense.

offensive dman with some snarl. 6'1 195 frame. good shot. good skater.

perhaps a guy whos worth a shot in round 3

thoughts ?
He could be Tyutin's twin

Looks just like him, but plays a bit of a different defensive game. I like his size and his compete level, throws'em when needed as well. He is a bit older than most in this draft. I like his chances in the middle rounds. 4th rounder if I had to guess.

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Well, this Scherbak guy looks like he could be a good pick.

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So, what centers could potentially be available between ~15-22?

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So, what centers could potentially be available between ~15-22?
Jared McCann, Connor Bleakley, and Adrian Kempe should all be available in that range.

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So, what centers could potentially be available between ~15-22?
I don't care about positions. We just need as much young, high end offensive talent as we can find.

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05-08-2014, 12:26 AM
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Alex Tuch is such a rangers pick.

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Alex Tuch is such a rangers pick.
His stock over the past month or so shot up a lot. He'll be gone by 15.

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Jared McCann, Connor Bleakley, and Adrian Kempe should all be available in that range.
Dylan Larkin too.

I can't see McCann lasting past the 12th spot.

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So, what centers could potentially be available between ~15-22?
McCann, Larkin, Kempe, Fabbri, Bleackley, Tuch, Milano, Schmaltz, and Cornel are a few examples for lower 1st round potential. IMO would't want Schmaltz, Cornel might fall into the 2nd, and Milano is more known for wing. McCann is a sure fire top 15 pick, as well as Tuch. Kempe might jump ahead or further back same goes with Bleackley and Fabbri. Larkin I would say is solid at our spot. It'll be interesting what NYR would do, seeing that we have this pick.

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05-08-2014, 11:46 AM
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Fabbri has been playing great hockey. I think teams will overlook his size and he'll get picked in the 13-17 range.

As far as Centers go, I don't see McCann & Kempe being around. Bleakley might be there. Ryan Macinnis is a Center that will be there, but he was underwhelming this year IMO.

I still like Center Eric Cornel as a 1st round riser. There are about 5 or 6 players I like for our spot, depending on who lasts until our pick.

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05-08-2014, 01:35 PM
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Fabbri has been playing great hockey. I think teams will overlook his size and he'll get picked in the 13-17 range.

As far as Centers go, I don't see McCann & Kempe being around. Bleakley might be there. Ryan Macinnis is a Center that will be there, but he was underwhelming this year IMO.

I still like Center Eric Cornel as a 1st round riser. There are about 5 or 6 players I like for our spot, depending on who lasts until our pick.
Fabbri's a must if he's around.

MacInnis would be a reach beyond epic proportion and would bring more fan rage than the McIlrath pick. The guy only shows up when his father's name and his ass is on the line in the spotlight.

Cornel has first round talent, just never gets any press with Ritchie.

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14. Alex Tuch, RW U.S. NTDP (USHL)
15. Dylan Larkin, C U.S. NTDP (USHL)
16. Ivan Barbashev, LW Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL)
17. Julius Honka, D Swift Current Broncos (WHL)
18. Conner Bleackley, C Red Deer Rebels (WHL)
19. Jakub Vrana, RW Linkoping (SHL)
20. Robby Fabbri, C Guelph Storm (OHL)
21. Adrian Kempe, C Modo (SHL)
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I like Draisaitl, but ranking him #1 is ballsy.

I like Kempe and Tuch, but I think both will be gone. Honka will likely go early given the lack of high-end defenders in the top of the draft. I think it'll come down to Scherbak or Larkin.

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Anyone have any thoughts on Keegan Iverson as a 3rd round target? I think he's a borderline 3rd/4th rounder, but I doubt he'd be around when we pick in the 4th unless we moved around a bit. Like the attitude and his love for physical play. I think there's a nice package of raw talent that can be molded. Skating leaves a bit to be desired, but it's not bad.

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Really like Bleackley

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I would like anyone that's not named DeAngelo, McKeown, and Schmaltz to be completely honest. Schmaltz is Boyle 2.0, DeAngelo has too many off-ice issues for a 1st round selection, and McKeown at the beginning of the year was a top 10 pick and dropped off to the late 1st round projection. Don't want a faller, I'd rather a riser like Tuch, Scherbak, Honka, and such.

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Anyone have any thoughts on Keegan Iverson as a 3rd round target? I think he's a borderline 3rd/4th rounder, but I doubt he'd be around when we pick in the 4th unless we moved around a bit. Like the attitude and his love for physical play. I think there's a nice package of raw talent that can be molded. Skating leaves a bit to be desired, but it's not bad.
He's a strong kid, not a great skater. He needs alot of work but has the tools to be a hard nosed 3rd liner.


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Yeah me too. I see a little Brassard and a little Dubinsky mix to his game. Hands are spectacular.

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