HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

Ehrhoff (50% retained)

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-05-2014, 05:39 PM
  #101
ZeroPT
Jan0ary
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,632
vCash: 416
Quote:
Originally Posted by fetalposition View Post
the last erhoff to detroit thread, thats what turned me off trading for him, what sabre fans were asking, for that matter i dont trade jurco and a first for him. buffalo should keep him so they can atleast hit the cap floor. buffalo seems more interested in a edmonton rebuild than a calgary one.
again. What?

ZeroPT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-05-2014, 07:34 PM
  #102
tsujimoto74
Moderator
 
tsujimoto74's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Virginia
Country: United States
Posts: 10,320
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by fetalposition View Post
the last erhoff to detroit thread, thats what turned me off trading for him, what sabre fans were asking, for that matter i dont trade jurco and a first for him. buffalo should keep him so they can atleast hit the cap floor. buffalo seems more interested in a edmonton rebuild than a calgary one.
Or, you know, neither. Since Edmonton's rebuild has been a failure so far (and also how they only drafted a top 6 and we're drafted players who project as everything but), and we're not really shooting for failure. And Calgary's rebuild hasn't actually happened yet, sooo. I'd say the model Buffalo is trying to follow is most like Chicago.

tsujimoto74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-05-2014, 07:41 PM
  #103
fetalposition
Registered User
 
fetalposition's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 666
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroPT View Post
again. What?
trading away anyone with a hint of value instead of keeping some around to help the younger players develop.Some are a no brainer because of them not resigning or just getting to good of a deal (vanek). but some like ehrhoff you could argue wouldnt be worth dealing because it would be more worthwhile to keep them around to help the kids develop. If you dont think they are tanking compared to say...the flames then i dont know what to tell you

fetalposition is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-05-2014, 07:45 PM
  #104
sabresandcanucks
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,845
vCash: 500
Not sure if Buffalo and Detroit are great trading partners as Detroit does not want to move any top prospects and Buffalo needs high end scoring prospects as the cupboards are pretty full of potential 2nd/3rd line players.

Detroit might want to look at Edler if he is willing to move his NMC as he likely will cost less (in terms of trading assets) than Ehrhoff at 50% reduced salary.

sabresandcanucks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-05-2014, 07:48 PM
  #105
La Cosa Nostra
FIRE MURRAY
 
La Cosa Nostra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,107
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by fetalposition View Post
trading away anyone with a hint of value instead of keeping some around to help the younger players develop.Some are a no brainer because of them not resigning or just getting to good of a deal (vanek). but some like ehrhoff you could argue wouldnt be worth dealing because it would be more worthwhile to keep them around to help the kids develop. If you dont think they are tanking compared to say...the flames then i dont know what to tell you
Ehrhoff hasn't been traded.Moulson,Vanek,Ott and Miller have this year and that's because all were impending UFA's and were not going to re-sign.Oh, you also want to know what we got in return for trading those 4?

Vanek-Matt Moulson,NYI 2014/2015 1st,NYI 2015 2nd
Miller & Ott-Halak,Chris Stewart,2015 1st,conditional 2014 1st,Carrier
Moulson-2014 WPG 2nd,2016 MIN 2nd

So at the end of the day,we turned Vanek,Miller and Ott into

NYI 2014/2015 1st
STL 2015 1st
STL 2014 1st (conditional,will be this or a 2015 3rd)
NYI 2015 2nd
WPG 2014 2nd
MIN 2016 2nd
William Carrier
Chris Stewart
Michael Neuvirth (traded Halak+3rd for him)

So we ended up getting 2 guaranteed 1st rounders,a conditional 1st/3rd rouder,3 2nd rounders,a 26 year old 25 goal scorer in Chris Stewart,a 26 year old mid end #1 goalie in Neuvirth and a recent 2nd round prospect in Carrier.I would say the return we got was a lot better then any "development" Ott,Miller or Vanek would have taught for the last 20 games of this season.

La Cosa Nostra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-05-2014, 08:48 PM
  #106
fetalposition
Registered User
 
fetalposition's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 666
vCash: 500
haha chicago build, you keep hoping for that, and calgarys build is fine, since the flames players at least bust their ass trying, unlike buffalo. i believe i also said some trades you have to do because of ufa and deals too good to resist, maybe try reading? you dont have to trade ufa's, the flames didnt, they didnt feel they have to trade everyone and tank like there is no tomorrow. also never said ehrhoff was traded, again try reading, its really not hard.

fetalposition is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-05-2014, 09:13 PM
  #107
Havok89
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,148
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by fetalposition View Post
haha chicago build, you keep hoping for that, and calgarys build is fine, since the flames players at least bust their ass trying, unlike buffalo. i believe i also said some trades you have to do because of ufa and deals too good to resist, maybe try reading? you dont have to trade ufa's, the flames didnt, they didnt feel they have to trade everyone and tank like there is no tomorrow. also never said ehrhoff was traded, again try reading, its really not hard.
A complete lack or talent and lack of effort are two completely different things. The Sabres players have been trying ever since Ted Nolan took over as head coach.

And the Sabres rebuild is nothing like Edmontons. They have only traded their pending UFA's for futures. Most of our young players are developing in other leagues atm so the "veteran leadership" doesn't really have an affect this season.

The Sabres prospect depth is a lot better than Calgary's right now and they have more picks than calgary as well. Not sure how you can argue Calgary's rebuild is better.

Edmontons problem wasn't only lack of leadership. They only drafted skilled forwards. They didn't draft defenseman at the start of their rebuild, and they haven't hit on any of their late picks into successful NHL'ers.

Havok89 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-06-2014, 12:24 AM
  #108
ZeroPT
Jan0ary
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,632
vCash: 416
Quote:
Originally Posted by fetalposition View Post
haha chicago build, you keep hoping for that, and calgarys build is fine, since the flames players at least bust their ass trying, unlike buffalo. i believe i also said some trades you have to do because of ufa and deals too good to resist, maybe try reading? you dont have to trade ufa's, the flames didnt, they didnt feel they have to trade everyone and tank like there is no tomorrow. also never said ehrhoff was traded, again try reading, its really not hard.
You clearly dont know what you're on about since anyone with a shred of hockey knowledge would know that the first thing any Ted Nolan team does is bust their ass.

Edmonton and Buffalo's rebuilds have nothing in common.
One team has drafted high end forwards, had a horrible drafting record (outside of the first round) and failed to surround its top players with good middle 6 depth.

The other has had one of the better drafting records for teams in the last little while, added quality assets on the back end as well as accumulating an unprecedented amout of picks.

You talk about Calgary's rebuild yet they haven't accomplished anything (not a slight towards the flames) as they're still in the rebuilding strategy

You're wrong.

ZeroPT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-06-2014, 02:23 AM
  #109
Heraldic
Registered User
 
Heraldic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 920
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroPT View Post
You clearly dont know what you're on about since anyone with a shred of hockey knowledge would know that the first thing any Ted Nolan team does is bust their ass.

Edmonton and Buffalo's rebuilds have nothing in common.
One team has drafted high end forwards, had a horrible drafting record (outside of the first round) and failed to surround its top players with good middle 6 depth.

The other has had one of the better drafting records for teams in the last little while, added quality assets on the back end as well as accumulating an unprecedented amout of picks.

You talk about Calgary's rebuild yet they haven't accomplished anything (not a slight towards the flames) as they're still in the rebuilding strategy

You're wrong.
This.

One of the poorest trollings I have read for a while. Not surprised that it was from a Wings fan, though.

Heraldic is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
05-02-2014, 04:34 PM
  #110
Gilligans Island
Registered User
 
Gilligans Island's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SF/Bay Area
Posts: 8,273
vCash: 500
From the Sharks:

Demers, 2015 1st and Tierney

for Ehrhoff (at 50% retained)

Gilligans Island is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
05-02-2014, 04:52 PM
  #111
tsujimoto74
Moderator
 
tsujimoto74's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Virginia
Country: United States
Posts: 10,320
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilligans Island View Post
From the Sharks:

Demers, 2015 1st and Tierney

for Ehrhoff (at 50% retained)
Meh. Not the worst offer I've seen for 'Hoff, but those aren't really the pieces Buffalo needs. We're already pretty set on RHD with Myers, Risto, and Pysyk IMO. Far more pressing need to add top 6/potential top 6 forwards.

tsujimoto74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-02-2014, 04:57 PM
  #112
Gilligans Island
Registered User
 
Gilligans Island's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SF/Bay Area
Posts: 8,273
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by tsujimoto74 View Post
Meh. Not the worst offer I've seen for 'Hoff, but those aren't really the pieces Buffalo needs. We're already pretty set on RHD with Myers, Risto, and Pysyk IMO. Far more pressing need to add top 6/potential top 6 forwards.
Got it. Tierney is a top 6 prospect and would be the right age for the Sabres so if we removed Demers, then...

I'm sure Nieto & Tierney would do it but I'd hate to part with Nieto.

Gilligans Island is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
05-02-2014, 05:03 PM
  #113
huntison
Registered User
 
huntison's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 3,781
vCash: 500
Gaunce + Hansen + 2nd.

huntison is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-02-2014, 05:04 PM
  #114
ZeroPT
Jan0ary
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,632
vCash: 416
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilligans Island View Post
Got it. Tierney is a top 6 prospect and would be the right age for the Sabres so if we removed Demers, then...

I'm sure Nieto & Tierney would do it but I'd hate to part with Nieto.
are you suggesting Nieto plus Tierney?

Cuz I'd take that deal and run far. Like, I'd run to Pluto.

ZeroPT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-02-2014, 05:04 PM
  #115
Hivemind
We're Touched
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 15,235
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by tsujimoto74 View Post
Meh. Not the worst offer I've seen for 'Hoff, but those aren't really the pieces Buffalo needs. We're already pretty set on RHD with Myers, Risto, and Pysyk IMO. Far more pressing need to add top 6/potential top 6 forwards.
Some around Marcus Johansson + prospect?

Hivemind is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-02-2014, 05:06 PM
  #116
ZeroPT
Jan0ary
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,632
vCash: 416
Quote:
Originally Posted by huntison View Post
Gaunce + Hansen + 2nd.
How about no.

Would you take Stafford+Hurley+2nd for Edler? Because that's basically what you're offering, and imho Hurley>Gaunce

ZeroPT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-02-2014, 05:14 PM
  #117
Gilligans Island
Registered User
 
Gilligans Island's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SF/Bay Area
Posts: 8,273
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroPT View Post
are you suggesting Nieto plus Tierney?

Cuz I'd take that deal and run far. Like, I'd run to Pluto.
OK, I overshot

Doug Wilson just said Nieto's untradeable so... Tierney & ? Hamilton?

Gilligans Island is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
05-02-2014, 05:34 PM
  #118
ZeroPT
Jan0ary
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,632
vCash: 416
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilligans Island View Post
OK, I overshot

Doug Wilson just said Nieto's untradeable so... Tierney & ? Hamilton?
meh on Hamilton. I like him but I wouldn't want it to be the main piece in an Ehrhoff trade.

I really like your original offer, but Demers is kinda redundant.

I'd make this deal:
Tierney+Hamilton+2015 1st+2nd round picks
for
Ehrhoff (50%) and a small plus

ZeroPT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-02-2014, 05:35 PM
  #119
Djp
Registered User
 
Djp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Seattle,WA
Posts: 6,905
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilligans Island View Post
OK, I overshot

Doug Wilson just said Nieto's untradeable so... Tierney & ? Hamilton?
I don't know enough about San Jose prospects....

Buffalo will want back a solid top 6 winger back....not a 3rd line with potential 2nd.

Their 3rd line players are pretty set with Larrson, Compher, Fasching and others. Maybe one of those player will develop to top 6.

Djp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-02-2014, 05:46 PM
  #120
Gilligans Island
Registered User
 
Gilligans Island's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SF/Bay Area
Posts: 8,273
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeroPT View Post
meh on Hamilton. I like him but I wouldn't want it to be the main piece in an Ehrhoff trade.

I really like your original offer, but Demers is kinda redundant.

I'd make this deal:
Tierney+Hamilton+2015 1st+2nd round picks
for
Ehrhoff (50%) and a small plus
Can we take out Sabres "small plus" and go with this?

Tierney+Hamilton+2015 1st+4th or 3rd round pick
for
Ehrhoff (50%)?

I'd hate to give up the first 2 picks in the same draft.

Gilligans Island is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
05-03-2014, 06:59 PM
  #121
David71
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,387
vCash: 500
toffoli+a prospect+2nd and 3rd round to buffalo for erhoff 50% retained

David71 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-03-2014, 07:18 PM
  #122
cgf
Registered User
 
cgf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 13,765
vCash: 500
Erhoff is one of a couple vets I'd love for the avs to target, although we're pretty limited to some combination of Pickard/Aittokallio, Parenteau, picks, and possibly Elliott or McGinn. Given PAP still has two years left on his deal at a nice price for a skilled forward and so could fill a top 6 spot in the interim, while also holding value for the sabres to sell off later, you're deep on the right side of D and with secondary forwards, would something like Parenteau, Pickard, our 2015 first and 2016 2nd, make as much sense for the sabres as I think it would?

cgf is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
05-03-2014, 07:46 PM
  #123
tsujimoto74
Moderator
 
tsujimoto74's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Virginia
Country: United States
Posts: 10,320
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgf View Post
Erhoff is one of a couple vets I'd love for the avs to target, although we're pretty limited to some combination of Pickard/Aittokallio, Parenteau, picks, and possibly Elliott or McGinn. Given PAP still has two years left on his deal at a nice price for a skilled forward and so could fill a top 6 spot in the interim, while also holding value for the sabres to sell off later, you're deep on the right side of D and with secondary forwards, would something like Parenteau, Pickard, our 2015 first and 2016 2nd, make as much sense for the sabres as I think it would?
Nope. The only thing there that's the kind of piece Buffalo would be targeting is the 2015 1st. Everything else is fluff. At a base minimum, I'd need a really solid top 6 F prospect+ coming back to move Ehrhoff.

tsujimoto74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-03-2014, 07:52 PM
  #124
is the answer jesus
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,397
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by tsujimoto74 View Post
Nope. The only thing there that's the kind of piece Buffalo would be targeting is the 2015 1st. Everything else is fluff. At a base minimum, I'd need a really solid top 6 F prospect+ coming back to move Ehrhoff.
And Colorado has zero prospects that fit that bill. I don't see a fit for a trade between our teams unless they want to give us their first rounders this year and next.

is the answer jesus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
05-03-2014, 08:04 PM
  #125
The Zetterberg Era
Moderator
Nyquist Explosion!
 
The Zetterberg Era's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Ft. Myers, FL
Country: United States
Posts: 21,047
vCash: 500
At 50% off the return should be huge. I think Detroit would take him for something around Tatar at full price.

The Zetterberg Era is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:17 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.