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05-03-2014, 11:30 AM
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It will be interesting - Stastny obviously had a strong season and enjoyed playing under Roy but his stats may give him leverage he didn't have before in commanding a big raise. If he could get $7M-8M on open market from some bottom feeder like Florida, Edmonton or Calgary, then the "hometown discount" the Avs may have to be accepting is his current salary.



I wouldn't go that far to call him "great" defensively - he did show better instincts and stats this year on that side and was never irresponsible in his own end but to call him a "great defensive center" makes it sound like he's a Bergeron-type of shutdown center. He's not.







Hasn't there been talk already of the ELC's of Landeskog and MacKinnon leading to huge raises? If Duchene / O'Reilly / Stastny all are in the $6M range and then those 2 young stars get raises, it sounds like Avs could end up like Edmonton with a lot of young, high-priced forwards and a lot of holes on defense.
Landeskog has already signed his long term deal at about a $5.5 cap hit. Mackinnon will be due a big raise but it's a couple years from now when the cap will undoubtedly go up.

It's silly to act like having too many good forwards is a problem. Our defense isn't stellar but it's miles ahead of Edmonton's.

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Landeskog has already signed his long term deal at about a $5.5 cap hit. Mackinnon will be due a big raise but it's a couple years from now when the cap will undoubtedly go up.

It's silly to act like having too many good forwards is a problem. Our defense isn't stellar but it's miles ahead of Edmonton's.
Big praise.

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A year ago he was supposedly this overpaid bum and now all the fans want their team to give him all the monies.
I find this funny as well. Stastny is a great complimentary player not a star. Surrounded by talent he had a great year make him the 1st line star on another team he goes back to being a over priced "bum". He would be smart to stay in Colorado at around 6-6.5 and enjoy the talent that surrounds him. If the Avalanche get their D fixed you guys are one scary team for the foreseeable future. I'm envious of that forward group for sure.

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St. Louis.

If he wants to stay with the Avs he'll stay. If he doesn't, he'll probably go to the Blues. I really don't see a team that offers a better situation than either one and doubt he signs anywhere else but we'll see.

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I don't see how this is viable under the cap with all their other contracts.
What?

Avs have tonnes of cap space going into next season.

Were currently at a payroll of 45.2M for next season, with 10/13 Forwards, 5/7 Defenseman, and 2/2 Goalies signed for next year.


The remaining spot to be filled would be ROR(6.5M), Stastny(7M), McGinn(3M) for the Forwards, and Barrie(2.75M) left to sign on Defense.

In otherwords, we'd still be around 64M in salary next year, with another 5-6M in space to sign the last Dman we need, either via UFA or within the organization.



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St. Louis.

If he wants to stay with the Avs he'll stay. If he doesn't, he'll probably go to the Blues. I really don't see a team that offers a better situation than either one and doubt he signs anywhere else but we'll see.
Really dont understand the sense of self entitlement you guys have when it comes to Stastny.


I actually highly doubt he signs in STL. Its not really his hometown anymore(Denver is, he's lived in Denver for 10 years now), and theres really no big reason for him to play there, if anything there would be more reasons against signing there then anywhere else.


If he doesn't sign with Colorado, I think CBJ, Nashville, Dallas, Anaheim are all more likely locations then STL. All teams need a #1/2C, all have the cap space to sign Stastny, and all are either contenders now, close to being contenders, or are only a couple years away.

I dont think he'll go to a big market place like TOR, VAN, CHI, etc.


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St. Louis.

If he wants to stay with the Avs he'll stay. If he doesn't, he'll probably go to the Blues. I really don't see a team that offers a better situation than either one and doubt he signs anywhere else but we'll see.
The way I see it as well. Both teams really have the only personal attachment for Stastny and the Blues, and hopefully the Avs soon too, are contenders.

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What?

Avs have tonnes of cap space going into next season.

Were currently at a payroll of 45.2M for next season, with 10/13 Forwards, 5/7 Defenseman, and 2/2 Goalies signed for next year.


The remaining spot to be filled would be ROR(6.5M), Stastny(7M), McGinn(3M) for the Forwards, and Barrie(2.75M) left to sign on Defense.

In otherwords, we'd still be around 64M in salary next year, with another 5-6M in space to sign the last Dman we need, either via UFA or within the organization.



Avs have tonnes of cap space.

It's actually not that easy. The cap next year, according to Bettman, will be 69 or 70 million. If that is indeed true and we use the numbers you mentioned...

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A few things to note:

-That is a low cap hit for Barrie, knowing his agency they might not accept a bridge deal. They did not do so for ROR, something the Avs wanted.
-That is the lowest possible caphit for MacKinnnon. Depending what bonuses he earned, it could go up to 3.75 million.
-That is also with a cap of 70 million, if it's the lower number, 69, and with a few bonuses/a higher cap for Barrie, the Avs could be left with nothing to spend.


I would bet good money on Stastny not being brought back next year unless he accepts a number around 6. We know the Avs negotiated with his agent before the deadline, if they were willing to offer anything close to 7.5m he would have been signed long ago.

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05-04-2014, 08:35 PM
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If he doesn't sign with Colorado, I think CBJ, Nashville, Dallas, Anaheim are all more likely locations then STL. All teams need a #1/2C, all have the cap space to sign Stastny, and all are either contenders now, close to being contenders, or are only a couple years away.
He's stated he wants to play on a team that is a contender now.

It's MUCH more likely he signs with St. Louis over any team other than Colorado.

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Really dont understand the sense of self entitlement you guys have when it comes to Stastny.


I actually highly doubt he signs in STL. Its not really his hometown anymore(Denver is, he's lived in Denver for 10 years now), and theres really no big reason for him to play there, if anything there would be more reasons against signing there then anywhere else.


If he doesn't sign with Colorado, I think CBJ, Nashville, Dallas, Anaheim are all more likely locations then STL. All teams need a #1/2C, all have the cap space to sign Stastny, and all are either contenders now, close to being contenders, or are only a couple years away.

I dont think he'll go to a big market place like TOR, VAN, CHI, etc.
Well he's from St. Louis and will be able to go home and play in front of his old friends and family and St. Louis has the cap space to pay him a lot of money as well. Also St. Louis is a contender and if he went there he would be getting first line minutes in between Schwartz and Tarasenko, 2 great up and coming players. No other team can match this except for maybe matching the price (minus Colorado of course)

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Seriously, it's going to be St. Louis or Colorado. I don't see any other scenario that makes more sense.

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Like I said, I highly doubt he signs in STL. It might be his home town, and they may be contenders(Debatable give the current form of that team, could be with a Stastny addition), but I have my doubt he signs there. Based on the games this year, he doesn't like STL very much. Biggest reason being Hitchcock and his system.



After the Avs, I think Anaheim has the next best shot at signing him(More of a contender then STL, have the same opening STL has, and a much better system for Stastny to play in), followed by the Jackets(Would be contenders in 3 years tops with Stastny on the team).

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Anaheim he plays behind Getzlaf and plays with who? Anaheim is no more contenders than St. Louis is, especially if St. Louis can get Stastny.
St. Louis with Stastny >>>> Anaheim with Stastny.

Columbus would be contenders in three years with Stastny? Why waste three years when he can go to a contender and home town now?

Listen, you clearly don't want Stastny going to the Blues but that's your opinion. St. Louis is an attractive destination for him whether you like to admit it or not.

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It's actually not that easy. The cap next year, according to Bettman, will be 69 or 70 million. If that is indeed true and we use the numbers you mentioned...



A few things to note:

-That is a low cap hit for Barrie, knowing his agency they might not accept a bridge deal. They did not do so for ROR, something the Avs wanted.
-That is the lowest possible caphit for MacKinnnon. Depending what bonuses he earned, it could go up to 3.75 million.
-That is also with a cap of 70 million, if it's the lower number, 69, and with a few bonuses/a higher cap for Barrie, the Avs could be left with nothing to spend.


I would bet good money on Stastny not being brought back next year unless he accepts a number around 6. We know the Avs negotiated with his agent before the deadline, if they were willing to offer anything close to 7.5m he would have been signed long ago.
One thing you need to understand is that the extra 4 or 5 million the Avs will have leftover isn't just money given to the team to spend. That's revenue and income that they needed to make. The cap is just there to prevent over-spenders, if a team doesn't have the money to spend near it, than that's their problem. No team just gets money from the NHL to spend to the cap.

That's part of the reason why a lot of teams don't spend to the cap.

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Stastny shocks everyone and comes to NJ

In actuality, I see him staying in Colorado

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Like I said, I highly doubt he signs in STL. It might be his home town, and they may be contenders(Debatable give the current form of that team, could be with a Stastny addition), but I have my doubt he signs there. Based on the games this year, he doesn't like STL very much. Biggest reason being Hitchcock and his system.



After the Avs, I think Anaheim has the next best shot at signing him(More of a contender then STL, have the same opening STL has, and a much better system for Stastny to play in), followed by the Jackets(Would be contenders in 3 years tops with Stastny on the team).


Again, he wants to be on a contender now. Not 3 years from now. His choices...

St. Louis

-Top minutes on the top line

-More money

Colorado

-Loyalty (which is huge, I'm not trying to minimize it)

It will be St. Louis or Colorado.


EDIT: And where in the world are you getting that he doesn't like St. Louis?

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Like I said, I highly doubt he signs in STL. It might be his home town, and they may be contenders(Debatable give the current form of that team, could be with a Stastny addition), but I have my doubt he signs there. Based on the games this year, he doesn't like STL very much. Biggest reason being Hitchcock and his system.



After the Avs, I think Anaheim has the next best shot at signing him(More of a contender then STL, have the same opening STL has, and a much better system for Stastny to play in), followed by the Jackets(Would be contenders in 3 years tops with Stastny on the team).
I'd like to see some explanation here. His dad seems to praise STL and commends the city as does his son.

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I fully expect the Avs to re-sign him.

Good teams don't let guys like him walk away without getting anything in return.

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Bold prediction: 8m X 6 years to one of Toronto/Calgary

Calgary has the cap space for the next 2/3 years
Toronto has the desperate need to get a #1 center to try and make the playoffs next season

I think there is going to be a bidding war, and Colorado will back out fairly soon
If Colorado is going to sign it would be before he hits UFA so there would be no bidding war. If he makes it to UFA he will not be with the Avs

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Anaheim he plays behind Getzlaf and plays with who? Anaheim is no more contenders than St. Louis is, especially if St. Louis can get Stastny.
St. Louis with Stastny >>>> Anaheim with Stastny.

Columbus would be contenders in three years with Stastny? Why waste three years when he can go to a contender and home town now?

Listen, you clearly don't want Stastny going to the Blues but that's your opinion. St. Louis is an attractive destination for him whether you like to admit it or not.
I think there's a good chance that he goes to St. Louis if he doesn't re-sign with Colorado. And he's the best option for the Blues if he's available since they wouldn't need to trade other assets. I also understand the appeal of playing #1 and the possible appeal of hometown ties. However, why do you think that St. Louis with Stastny would be better than Anaheim with Stastny, especially a lot better (as all your >>>> suggests to me)?

I think you're greatly underrating the Ducks here.

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I think there's a good chance that he goes to St. Louis if he doesn't re-sign with Colorado. And he's the best option for the Blues if he's available since they wouldn't need to trade other assets. I also understand the appeal of playing #1 and the possible appeal of hometown ties. However, why do you think that St. Louis with Stastny would be better than Anaheim with Stastny, especially a lot better (as all your >>>> suggests to me)?

I think you're greatly underrating the Ducks here.
Maybe I am, but a top 6 center is the the main hole for the Blues. St. Louis was fine with Sobotka in between Schwartz and Tarasenko but if you're able to add a talent like Stastny in between those two, a year after Schwartz broke out in the regular season and Tarasenko in the playoffs could be very deadly.

It also allows Sobotka to go back to the third line position and it just completely bring every line together. Steen Backes Oshie move down to the second line and can concentrate on the defensive side of the game more and not have to be counted on for the offense.

I don't even know who Stastny would play with in Anaheim. He's just the absolute perfect fit between Schwartz and Tarasenko, which is why I think he will be more of an impact player with the Blues than the Ducks.

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Maybe I am, but a top 6 center is the the main hole for the Blues. St. Louis was fine with Sobotka in between Schwartz and Tarasenko but if you're able to add a talent like Stastny in between those two, a year after Schwartz broke out in the regular season and Tarasenko in the playoffs could be very deadly.

It also allows Sobotka to go back to the third line position and it just completely bring every line together. Steen Backes Oshie move down to the second line and can concentrate on the defensive side of the game more and not have to be counted on for the offense.

I don't even know who Stastny would play with in Anaheim. He's just the absolute perfect fit between Schwartz and Tarasenko, which is why I think he will be more of an impact player with the Blues than the Ducks.
I'm a Blues fan as well. (#2 team, grew up rooting for them.) I think they need a #1 center and Stastny would be a very good fit for both Stastny and the Blues. I agree that he should be excellent centering Schwartz and Tarasenko. (Love both of them. Tarasenko kind of reminds me of Hertl, not in their play but in how they're so positive and bring energy to the team. Also, both of them got knocked out of the Calder race due to injuries but looked really good before then and since they've returned.)

I'm not sure who would be on Stastny's line for the Ducks. They had a lot of injuries this year and also have some fairly young players so it seemed like they juggled their lines a lot. Maybe Maroon and Silfverberg. They have a good roster. They were the best team in the West (by points at least) and they walked all over the Blues last season. They're a very good team and I'm sure that they could juggle lines to find one that works well with Stastny.

I hope that if he doesn't re-sign with Colorado, he signs with St. Louis (and not Anaheim), both as a Blues' fan and as a Sharks' fan.

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The 4 realistic teams that will be high on Stastny's list will be Colorado, St. Louis, Anaheim, and possibly the Rangers. I see Colorado, St. Louis, and Anaheim as the only true contenders for him. I think the Ducks will end up targeting Kesler in the end.

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I'm a Blues fan as well. (#2 team, grew up rooting for them.) I think they need a #1 center and Stastny would be a very good fit for both Stastny and the Blues. I agree that he should be excellent centering Schwartz and Tarasenko. (Love both of them. Tarasenko kind of reminds me of Hertl, not in their play but in how they're so positive and bring energy to the team. Also, both of them got knocked out of the Calder race due to injuries but looked really good before then and since they've returned.)

I'm not sure who would be on Stastny's line for the Ducks. They had a lot of injuries this year and also have some fairly young players so it seemed like they juggled their lines a lot. Maybe Maroon and Silfverberg. They have a good roster. They were the best team in the West (by points at least) and they walked all over the Blues last season. They're a very good team and I'm sure that they could juggle lines to find one that works well with Stastny.

I hope that if he doesn't re-sign with Colorado, he signs with St. Louis (and not Anaheim), both as a Blues' fan and as a Sharks' fan.
That's why I think the Blues with Stastny are better than the Ducks with Stastny. Does either Maroon or Silfverberg have the offensive capabilities as Schwartz or Tarasenko do? I don't think so.

Although if Blues could somehow clone Hertl for that line, that would be something.

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Again, he wants to be on a contender now. Not 3 years from now. His choices...

St. Louis

-Top minutes on the top line

-More money

Colorado

-Loyalty (which is huge, I'm not trying to minimize it)

It will be St. Louis or Colorado.


EDIT: And where in the world are you getting that he doesn't like St. Louis?


Doubt he gets more money from a budget conscious Blues team. He's also getting top line minutes in Colorado already, so again no bonus there.


The Avs/Blues rivalry this season was big enough from the Avs perspective that I'd imagine Stastny has a sour taste in his mouth regarding the Blues. He was also noticeably more engaged emotionally in games against the Blues this year. You could tell the way he played those games that he doesn't like the Blues.

Again, like I said I highly doubt the Blues are even on the list of teams he'd have interest in if he were to walk from Colorado.

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If you think the Blues aren't on his list, then you are looking at the situation objectively. Everyone will be offering him big money and it will come down to mainly Colorado and St. Louis with Anaheim also being able to make a very strong pitch.

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