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Bad Contract Swap: Clarkson + 1st for Horton

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05-03-2014, 08:20 PM
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No, they wouldn't.
Would love to know you and bet you a few grand but we'll never know because the BJ's wouldn't offer it in the first place.

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Nathan horton has a limited no trade clause and Toronto is probably the last place he wanna go, he said that he wants to play in a small city and a small hockey market... Well exactly the opposite of Toronto.
This. Not that the value is close, but honestly it doesn't matter Horton made it pretty clear in all of his talk about his signing in Columbus that we can put the Leafs squarely as a place he wouldn't accept a trade to ever.

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Would love to know you and bet you a few grand but we'll never know because the BJ's wouldn't offer it in the first place.
I don't disagree with that. I don't think either team does this. Clarkson's contract is horrendous, but I doubt the Leafs would give up a very good pick just to ditch it.

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Toronto, the team capable of finishing in the bottom 5 any given season surrender a first rounder to get out a contract? what?

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By the way there is a part of me that thinks this is the only way Clarkson's career doesn't turn into a complete disaster. He does play to the Columbus identity if it was Toronto eating 50% + 1st, they still probably don't touch it, but you could see him rebounding while leafs fans scream bloody murder about it. Well probably not, but still I cannot think of a better fit for Clarkson around the league than Columbus.

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You're not just getting rid of Clarkson. You're getting rid of Clarkson and the gigantic albatross of a contract he has.
Which is why in saying it's better to keep Clarkson and a good pick for Horton, who is not the player we need.
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LOL, your forgetting Horton is a nice player to have in this mix. Leafs jump on this so fast your head would spin.
He's an alright player but we should NOT give up a nice piece just to trade away Clarkson.

Horton will be another grinder who will not fit in our system and later be traded/buy-out in a few years.

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05-03-2014, 08:40 PM
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I don't disagree with that. I don't think either team does this. Clarkson's contract is horrendous, but I doubt the Leafs would give up a very good pick just to ditch it.
Horton alone is at least close to worth the 8th pick, adding the taking of Clarksons brutal contract makes this a big win for Toronto.

Leaf fans who wouldn't take this are out of their minds.

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Horton alone is at least close to worth the 8th pick, adding the taking of Clarksons brutal contract makes this a big win for Toronto.

Leaf fans who wouldn't take this are out of their minds.
A healthy Horton, perhaps, but the one who has been ravaged with injuries over the past three years? I don't think so.

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So the leafs give up a 1st round pick just to switch bad contracts. No thanks.

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one guy has injury issues, one guy has overpaid 4th liner issues. Ill take the guy with injury issues over the long run because if he ever gets healthy, you have a good player. all you are ever going to get out of clarkson is an extremely overpaid bottom 6 winger

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one guy has injury issues, one guy has overpaid 4th liner issues. Ill take the guy with injury issues over the long run because if he ever gets healthy, you have a good player. all you are ever going to get out of clarkson is an extremely overpaid bottom 6 winger
Yeah, but would you add an 8th overall pick or a McDavid chip in 2015 to go from the terrible player to the injury prone player, while gaining no salary relief?

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Yeah, but would you add an 8th overall pick or a McDavid chip in 2015 to go from the terrible player to the injury prone player, while gaining no salary relief?
nope, not a first. but I would definitely make the swap if the sweetener is a bit more palatable.

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05-03-2014, 09:21 PM
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Are people this naive? The Clarkson contract has been demonized to the point of no return, its as if he's played out all seven seasons already at this pace

Clarkson at 5.25mill + Ehlers/Nylander (or whatever) > Horton at 5.4mill.

You're kidding yourself if you truly believe otherwise.

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Columbus doesnt do it, but youre smoking something good if you think Toronto adds a 1st for nathan horton.

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05-03-2014, 10:31 PM
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So the leafs give up a 1st round pick just to switch bad contracts. No thanks.
Columbus politely says no. Horton is not a bad contract. He is exactly what Columbus wants and also just what the Leafs need. A gritty two-way player with top 6 skill. A guy who has come through under playoff pressure.

He was injured this year. Columbus knew that when they signed him.

If Clarkson was eligible for a compliance buy-out, Columbus might have put something together for Clarkson and an asset. Leafs fans surely remember the Olaf Kolzig deal. This would be similar only it would require a much better asset. Kolzig had an expiring contract. Since Clarkson is not eligible, I think there is no deal to be had here.

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I can't wait for Clarkson to have a solid season and a good playoff so people will love him
You might be waiting a very long time. Clarkson's numbers in Jersey were very inflated; he's generally dumb, lacks hockey IQ, and excels in breaking up plays by taking idiotic shots on net. He sucks at passing and doesn't have a particularly good shot. He's decent at mucking about around the net, but many players who don't have his huge contract can do that.

The guy just isn't very good. Devils fans knew it. Nonis didn't care to believe it.

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I don't understand why Jackets fan really hate this. That 8th overall pick is worth quite a lot regardless of Clarkson's contract.
Clarkson's contract is a giant albatross.

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yeah i wouldnt call horton a two-way player. hitting and being tough doesnt make you a two-way player.

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Columbus politely says no. Horton is not a bad contract. He is exactly what Columbus wants and also just what the Leafs need. A gritty two-way player with top 6 skill. A guy who has come through under playoff pressure.

He was injured this year. Columbus knew that when they signed him.

If Clarkson was eligible for a compliance buy-out, Columbus might have put something together for Clarkson and an asset. Leafs fans surely remember the Olaf Kolzig deal. This would be similar only it would require a much better asset. Kolzig had an expiring contract. Since Clarkson is not eligible, I think there is no deal to be had here.
Is he a RH top 4 Dman? Thats what the leafs need. Adding another winger is pointless and is barely even a priority. Horton does nothing for us except replace Clarkson's salary. Certainly not worth the 8th overall pick.

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yeah i wouldnt call horton a two-way player. hitting and being tough doesnt make you a two-way player.
He's substantially better than Clarkson. That much is for sure.

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Toronto isnt paying a 1st to get rid of Clarkson.

We'll eat a buy out if we have to, or just live with it.

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LOL, your forgetting Horton is a nice player to have in this mix. Leafs jump on this so fast your head would spin.
Not at the price of a 1st, no bloody way. Simplest thing is just to keep Clarkson and hope that he is better next year.

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To Toronto:

Nathan Horton ($5.3 million through 2019-20)

To CBJ:

David Clarkson($5.25 million through 2019-20)

1st round pick

Two huge free agent signing busts. Everyone knows about Clarkson in Toronto, but Horton was pretty bad in Columbus (when healthy, which is rare these days). Both contracts are relatively equal so maybe this is a chance to swap disappointments and hope both players benefit from a change of scenery and style of play.

Clarkson would benefit from being back in a smaller market and his gritty, physical style fits the Jackets identity (and he'd replace Umberger once he's bought out) and Horton adds more of the scoring touch the Leafs were looking for from Clarkson.

Both contracts are bad no matter which team is paying them but I think both players would be better on the other team.

Horton is better player than Clarkson so the Leafs would have to add to the deal, and maybe even retain some salary, as opposed to just a one-for-one swap. A 1st round pick should do it. The extra first could help the CBJ put a trade package together for the real top line winger Johansen needs.
Why do you think Umberger is being bought out?

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Horton knows how to skate and play hockey. Clarkson...

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Wait to see what Horton can do this season. He was injured.

EDIT: Actually I have seen a bit of a decline after that Rome hit. Hmmm idk you will have to still see what he is capable of.

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