Did Calgary get the two best defenceman in last years draft?

[Brock]

Originally Posted by T@T

Show me stats where Suter has the offence potental to Phaneuf

Well In 47 games played with the US Under 18 Developmental Program last year, he had 8 goals and 19 assists.

And in 28 games so far in NCAA action for Wisconsin, he has 3 goals and 13 assists.

And if you have ever, ever seen Ryan Suter play, you'd know the type of potential this kid has.

[Legionnaire]

Originally Posted by Brock

Well In 47 games played with the US Under 18 Developmental Program last year, he had 8 goals and 19 assists.

And in 28 games so far in NCAA action for Wisconsin, he has 3 goals and 13 assists.

And if you have ever, ever seen Ryan Suter play, you'd know the type of potential this kid has.

Would you say gold medal potential

[Charge_Seven]

Originally Posted by T@T

Phaneuf...looks like he's the top pick

Ramholt...people are saying he's the best defenceman in the Q this year.

I guess no matter what,the blueline future looks bright in Calgary

The "Q" has the worst defence in all of the CHL.

The Flames may have gotten the best two as a one-two punch, but yes, Seabrook, Suter, are better than Ramholt.

[stardog]

Originally Posted by T@T

Phaneuf...looks like he's the top pick

Ramholt...people are saying he's the best defenceman in the Q this year.

I guess no matter what,the blueline future looks bright in Calgary

I'd take Suter over Ramholt....I'd probably take Suter over Phanuef as well.

Not making comparisons but Rozsival was the top defenseman in the WHL one year....just sayin junior rankings dont translate all that well.

At any rate, Calgary's depth on young defensmen is arguably unrivaled.

Pitt and Nashville are good but aren't in Calgary's league.

I'll get flamed for this but speaking of young D prospects I saw Ballard play the other night against Bejmindi (sp) and came away completely unimpressed. His decision making and hustle was plain bad (although he scored). Granted this was the ONLY game I have ever seen him play so I realize it was an off game, but it was just an observation.

[stardog]

Originally Posted by nomorekids

i disagree on both counts. phaneuf and suter are equal for now, and the jury is still out on ramholt and klein...with ramholt maybe having a slight edge.

The jury is also still out on Phaneuf and Suter. They were, after all, drafted just last year.
Not trying to be a jerk, but it was just kinda funny that the jury would be out on two and not the other two, considering they are all the same age and drafted in the same year

[stardog]

Stats also dont take into consideration certain factors that could have a significant impact on what those stats may be.
There are many things factoring into a defensemans stats...such as quality of ooponent, quality of team mates, coaching style, ice time....etc.
Stats are an indicator to a certain point, but never should they be used as a be all and end all in any debate.

[cal_guy]

Originally Posted by SmokeyClause

Going into the And about Ramholt being a consensus mid-first round selection. I don't recall THN ever having him that high. They had him at 41. The Preds nabbed three defenseman rated higher (Suter, Klein, Stehlik and Sulzer was rated #60) and one forward. Ramholt was the 21st rated Euro skater. Not exactly first round material. Still, he's a great pick for them.

Suter #5 overall
Phaneuf #11 overall
Stehlik #23 overall
Klein #30 overall
Ramholt #41 overall
Sulzer #60 overall

These were the CSB final ratings.

Suter #7 in N.A
Phaneuf #8 in N.A
Stehlik #49 in N.A
Klein #18 in N.A
Ramholt #16 in Europe
Sulzer #23 in Europe

[ZombieMatt]

Ramholt is the best defenceman in teh Q, maybe, yeah, I'll go with that.

BUt being the best d-man in the QMJHL is a far cry from the best defenceman in the draft.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Hitman

I don't think we have the best 2 because Suter, Coburn, Seabrook and Belle are all better than Ramholt. But we hae 2 very good ones that's for sure.

I'd add Mark Stuart to your list and take off Belle.