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5/7/14: 11:30am Press Conference (Holmgren to President, Hextall to GM)

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05-07-2014, 12:36 PM
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Keeping Holmgren around is a great idea. It's not like He and Hex are enemies here. Homer has a great eye for talent. Having that in the organization is a huge positive.

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Hossa almost signed in Edmonton for max dollars but chose Chicago at the last minute. What if he doesn't sign there?

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Gill too. Damn it Gill.
Totally forgot about Gill. Damn, now you just made me think of his slow ass in game 5. Thanks.

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While that is true, they all were drafted in years that they missed the playoffs. Quick was a later round pick so it is arguable that he would still be there, but Doughty, Kopitar, and Brown were years they missed the playoffs (Voynov too, second pick in second round). I try to point this out all the time and it seems to go by the wayside. These teams that are in fact keeping the players, are acquiring these players from high draft picks. It would be great to have Doughty and the likes on this team, but it would require missing the playoffs for a bunch of years, sometimes BADLY, then not trading those players. There is no ONE way to build a championship team. It needs luck (in drafting and trading). It needs, often times, a year or two of compelte failure to be able to grab a franchise player. It needs unknown guys to develop. It needs injuries to not happen. It needs to not run into a hot team at the wrong time. Simply holding on to players doesn't mean you'll win. Simply trading for players doesn't mean you'll win. If the Flyers are picking 20-30 every year, it is less likely that they will get a franchise defenseman or elite scorer without a trade or a signing. Yes, there are guys available in that range that turn out that way, and in later rounds too, but if you aren't picking in the top 5 or so, it is far less likely to get a Doughty or a Malkin or a whomever you want to throw out there. When you are picking in that range consistently, the way you get the elite guys is through trade. That is just how it works (or you get incredibly lucky with a Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk situation, where two players drafted in the sixth or seventh round turn into absolute super-stars).
That's a good point, and one Hextall himself brought up. Still, if you have a good scouting team, you can find the Girouxs, the Gagnes, the Mike Richards's, ect

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Found this from /r/flyers

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So if Hextall is in fact in, do we think that he may have had a hand in the MacDonald extension?
If so Fire him

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Hossa almost signed in Edmonton for max dollars but chose Chicago at the last minute. What if he doesn't sign there?
That's not a fluke.

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That's not a fluke.
Still what would Chicago be without him?

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There is nothing wrong with trading picks/prosects/young players for established talent, as long as we aren't trading three 1sts in a row like we did for Pronger which wouldn't have been as bad if he was still playing today. Or trading a 1st for a rental like Versteeg and then trading him for a 2nd. I have no problem trading those picks/prospects as long as the return is going to be in our long term plans and we aren't trading 1st round picks 3 and 4 years into the future.

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05-07-2014, 12:51 PM
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So for those of us who predicted Holmgren would step "down" at season's end...we were half-right I suppose since Snider is couching his ouster as a step "up" to a figurehead President role...or so some of us hope although I'm sure him and Clarke and of course Snider will be providing their third "inputs."

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I don't get why some of you guys hated the hire. He was highly sough after the last couple of years in a GM role. The Flyers being my second team have hope. Holmgren was absolute garbage for this team.

Now if the Canucks get Benning as well this offseason has already been a major success for me hahahaa.

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That's a good point, and one Hextall himself brought up. Still, if you have a good scouting team, you can find the Girouxs, the Gagnes, the Mike Richards's, ect
Yeah but those guys are few and far between (especially when you are fighting with 10 or so other teams in that area all trying to find the same guy). Possible for sure, and having good scouts helps, but the safest way to get those guys is to draft consistently outside of the playoff range. You can find gems in any rounds, but you are more likely to do so closer to #1.

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05-07-2014, 12:58 PM
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There is nothing wrong with trading picks/prosects/young players for established talent, as long as we aren't trading three 1sts in a row like we did for Pronger which wouldn't have been as bad if he was still playing today. Or trading a 1st for a rental like Versteeg and then trading him for a 2nd. I have no problem trading those picks/prospects as long as the return is going to be in our long term plans and we aren't trading 1st round picks 3 and 4 years into the future.
Yeah, it's fine in the right situations. There really isn't any situation where it's OK to ditch 5+ years of first and second round picks and prospects taken in those rounds, though.

I'm neutral on this move. Hextall said a lot of exciting things, but words aren't actions. We'll see how it goes.

I'm very glad Holmgren stays. I disagreed with some of his moves but his eye for talent is excellent. I believe he said he wanted to get back to scouting...Homer focusing on scouting without having to worry about other GM stuff can only be a good asset for the organization.

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05-07-2014, 01:00 PM
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Hextall says he's unsure about Emery, would like Timonen (if he wants to), but at a good price.

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Yeah but those guys are few and far between (especially when you are fighting with 10 or so other teams in that area all trying to find the same guy). Possible for sure, and having good scouts helps, but the safest way to get those guys is to draft consistently outside of the playoff range. You can find gems in any rounds, but you are more likely to do so closer to #1.
Eh. The Flyers have pretty consistently been very good at drafting from playoff position, better than almost any other team I would say. The problem is that Homer neutralized that strength by shipping out all the picks. Drafting from a PO position isn't what hurt/is hurting the Flyers, it's barely drafting in high rounds at all.

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building thru the draft. I like it. Been wanting this for far too long. look at the prospect pool he helped put together in Manchester. I know some think not having a good competitive team in the AHL doesnt matter but it does.
Having more then just a couple of guys to choose from matters. I know the Flyers have gotten better over the last couple of years at building up the prospect pool but it still has a ways to go. Hopefully Hextall isn't just talking for the sake of talking.
We tried it one way for a couple decades now its time to try a different approach. Snider be damned.

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Hextall says he's unsure about Emery, would like Timonen (if he wants to), but at a good price.


I'm not used to this level of transparency!

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and now after today a name change is likely in order haha
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Yeah, it's fine in the right situations. There really isn't any situation where it's OK to ditch 5+ years of first and second round picks and prospects taken in those rounds, though.

I'm neutral on this move. Hextall said a lot of exciting things, but words aren't actions. We'll see how it goes.

I'm very glad Holmgren stays. I disagreed with some of his moves but his eye for talent is excellent. I believe he said he wanted to get back to scouting...Homer focusing on scouting without having to worry about other GM stuff can only be a good asset for the organization.
Thats the point I was trying to make. Not a big deal to trade a young player or a 1st to fill an important hole in the team like #1 LW or on defense as long as the player we receive in return will be here a while and fits a need.

I agree with the rest of your post as well. Excited about what Hextall said, but will be more excited when I see it in practice.

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Yeah, it's fine in the right situations. There really isn't any situation where it's OK to ditch 5+ years of first and second round picks and prospects taken in those rounds, though.

I'm neutral on this move. Hextall said a lot of exciting things, but words aren't actions. We'll see how it goes.

I'm very glad Holmgren stays. I disagreed with some of his moves but his eye for talent is excellent. I believe he said he wanted to get back to scouting...Homer focusing on scouting without having to worry about other GM stuff can only be a good asset for the organization.
ohhh ree-hee-heely now?



During his press conference, Holmgren said that “all hockey decisions are Hexy’s,” and he is there to advise make sure it works financially, which was part of Luukko’s duties, as well.



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ohhh ree-hee-heely now?



During his press conference, Holmgren said that “all hockey decisions are Hexy’s,” and he is there to advise make sure it works financially, which was part of Luukko’s duties, as well.


Oh geez. Well with any luck Hextall will at least fire supposed CBA brain-trust Hanrahan, who seems incapable of following simple instructions or even holding a calculator right-side-up.

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So why do you think Homer's going to do as a bad job as president?

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Still what would Chicago be without him?
Im confused. What are you argueing here? Homer should of stayed? Trading young players for old is the right path? Hexy should constantly trade many players each season?

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So why do you think Homer's going to do as a bad job as president?
I can see what hes saying. Homers "financial" awareness isnt the best. He better finally read the cba

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