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03-12-2007, 03:25 PM
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What does "saves per goal against" tell you that save percentage doesn't?
I just think it's more understandable.

Name Save %
Brodeur 0.924
Luongo 0.920
Giguere 0.920
Emery 0.919
DiPietro 0.918
Kiprusoff 0.917
Henrik 0.912

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03-12-2007, 03:29 PM
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The other thing with that stat: it's different to allow 1 goal every 12 shots when you're only facing 24 per game than it is to allow 1 goal every 10 shots when you're facing 30 shots a game. That's a variable that is not taken into account that I think is important.
That stat isn't taken into consideration, anywhere.

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You could be right, I don't know what the writers are thinking, I mean Thornton got it last season...

Though for me Brodeurs stats are very marginally better. Luongo got 0.920 and Marty 0.924 for example.
It's all in the shutouts. Anyway, Brodeur has so much experience compared to these younger goalies. That's a big advantage in my view, and he's used it wisely. Experience = confidence = shutouts and clutch wins. Hopefully Lundqvist learns from his mistakes. The only real criticism I seem to hear around here is that he can't close out games. I think that will fix itself with time though

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Luongo is the best goaltender in the league, and has been for a few years in my opinion. Henrik still has a ways to go, and probably isn't as good this year as he was last.

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The only guy who could realistically challenge Brodeur if the season ended today is Luongo. After that the competition drops off. Luongo has been awsome for the Nucks though.

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Luongo is the best goaltender in the league, and has been for a few years in my opinion. Henrik still has a ways to go, and probably isn't as good this year as he was last.
See, I disagree with that completely. Last season, while playing a lot less games and with a better team for most of the year, Lundqvist wasn't our saving grace. Jagr was. Lundqvist was very solid, but when Jagr started slipping, Henrik went down with him.

This season, 2 months of terrible team hockey aside, Henrik has been carrying this team on his shoulders. He has shown that he can steal games night in and night out, regardless of how the Rangers are playing. To me, he has shown the will and consistency of a champion. Put him behind NJ's system, and you have a bonafide superstar with quite possibly sub 2.00 GAA.

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That stat isn't taken into consideration, anywhere.
By the way, those numbers aren't what most would have expected.
"Name" "Average Number of Shots Allowed per Game via Team"
DiPietro 32.3
Emery 30.7
Kiprusoff 30.4
Luongo 29.5
Brodeur 28.8
Lundqvist 28.3
Giguere 27.1

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That stat isn't taken into consideration, anywhere.
I know, that was my point...

Why hasn't anyone come up with a goalie rating system a la the QB rating system in the NFL?

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He has shown that he can steal games night in and night out, regardless of how the Rangers are playing.
Just out of curiosity, which specific games has he "stolen"? I think the Rangers would be in a much better situation had he stolen a few games.

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Just out of curiosity, which specific games has he "stolen"? I think the Rangers would be in a much better situation had he stolen a few games.
He definitly stole the Dallas game, granted that was back in december lol

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I know, that was my point...

Why hasn't anyone come up with a goalie rating system a la the QB rating system in the NFL?
nevermind


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03-12-2007, 05:02 PM
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I posted this in another thread.

Since Christmas Lundqvist have played 31 games, in 29 of these games (not counting the game against philly (pulled out (injury)), and the game against the Sens (Weekes was pulled out, Lundqvist only played 20 min)), Lundqvist's SV% is 0.932, and his GAA is 1.82.

During this 29 game streak Lundqvist has allowed:

0 goal 2 times
1 goal 11 times
2 goals 6 times
3 goals 7 times
4 goals 2 times
5 goals 1 time

According to these stats (if the streak continues), the Rangers will get into the playoffs even if the scoring drought continues. Now if only they could score more than 2 goals a game....

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03-12-2007, 05:07 PM
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He definitly stole the Dallas game, granted that was back in december lol
That's about the only game I was able to think of myself. And of course that was the game that started their huge slide. So I guess it's a good thing he doesn't steal games more often then

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Just out of curiosity, which specific games has he "stolen"? I think the Rangers would be in a much better situation had he stolen a few games.
Just from recent memory:

Last night vs Canes. Carolina had significantly more scoring chances, especially with the late PP's.

The second game of back to back Isle games.

The other mid February game vs Canes.

The shutout vs TB.

A week before vs Boston.


That's just over the last month or so. With all those games being HUGE points wise.

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Why adjust?

watch the games. Just because a guy faces 25 shots in a game doesn't mean he didn't have a tougher time than the guy who faced 30 shots. Anything other than what you have now is pretty subjective. You can guess that the guy who's facing 30+ shots per game faces more 'quality' chances, but again, it's subjective. You can talk about quality chances against as a % of total shots and then tally of the saves on them, but what the heck's a quality chance? You can calculate breakaways, two-on-ones, gaffes in front of the net by defensemen that lead to a quality chance against. In all, these measures are often very subjective and watching the game is about all you can do. I will say, though, that when someone puts up similar numbers year-in and year-out over a long period of time, I do take notice.

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03-12-2007, 07:21 PM
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Just from recent memory:

Last night vs Canes. Carolina had significantly more scoring chances, especially with the late PP's.

The second game of back to back Isle games.

The other mid February game vs Canes.

The shutout vs TB.

A week before vs Boston.


That's just over the last month or so. With all those games being HUGE points wise.
We obviously are VERY far apart on our definitions of "stealing" games.

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Hank is great as was Ricther and EDDie and I forgot Villamere sp? butI would say if he continues he will be top 3 and maybe the best ever but way to early

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Has there been a better goalie in the league since Xmas?
Well the only thing he might get would be a spring vezina.. but the race for vezina is already done. I'd put my money on Brodeur, but I'd like to see Luongo win. And I don't really agree with the statement that they've had it easy this season. Lundy would in my top 10-20 list but atleast for now he's not close cracking the top ten of my list. But I got to agree he'll be close to the top someday if it all goes well him.

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Hank is great as was Ricther and EDDie and I forgot Villamere sp? butI would say if he continues he will be top 3 and maybe the best ever but way to early
I actually think that Lundqvist is better in his second season than Richter was in his second season.

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I actually think that Lundqvist is better in his second season than Richter was in his second season.
I would agree. I will also state that its way too early in his career to label Lunqvist as anything other than a very good NHL goaltender. I love the guy so far....but until I see some more banners hanging from the rafters at the garden.....until I see Lundy steal a playoff game by standing on his head...until I see a more consistent player, and a larger body of NHL work, along with a Stanley cup final victory, Lundy is not even mentioned as an all time Ranger goaltender. And believe me, I think he's alot better than most people think already.

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I actually think that Lundqvist is better in his second season than Richter was in his second season.
I agree. Though it's not really saying much as far as all time comparisons go. Nor is it really saying much as far as career potential or big game potential is concerned. But I guess accomplishment is the only true definitive statement that can be made to this regard. Time will tell.

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Congrats to Lundqvist on the Player of the Week recognition, but he isn't Vezina-worthy this year. He won't even be nominated. I think it will go to Brodeur. He deserves it with the insane season he is having.

It would do Lundvist good to get some tapes of Brodeur and watch how he shuts teams down in the third period. He is just so clutch. Like a really good closer in baseball. If Lundqvist has that in him, that ability to slam the door closed late in a game when the score is close, then he'll have a great career. From about mid-February through the end of the playoffs, the games are just so close that you need the type of goalie who makes those key saves late in the game.

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Luongo is the best goaltender in the league, and has been for a few years in my opinion. Henrik still has a ways to go, and probably isn't as good this year as he was last.
I agree! Luongo was my favorite goaltender, and I was hoping somehow he'd wind up a Ranger when we had Dunham"akaToast" in net. However, having seen Lundy is the real deal, and getting over Blackburns career ending injury, I'm totally happy with Lundy and the fact we have Montoya making progress in Hfd. I'd have taken Luongo in a second over Brodeur, and i still feel that way, no sleight, I just think Luongo is an even more difficult goalie to beat, especially if he had a defensive system like Jersey in front of him. DiPi is good, but the Isles made a HUGE mistake trading away Luongo, and its only luck that landed them Dipietro.....or Milbury would be even more hated!

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I agree. Though it's not really saying much as far as all time comparisons go. Nor is it really saying much as far as career potential or big game potential is concerned. But I guess accomplishment is the only true definitive statement that can be made to this regard. Time will tell.
I don't know burd....the argument can be made that these last 4 or 5 games have been as big as it gets for an NHL team, basically an early playoff run ....and Lundy has come through with flying colors, if he keeps it up, he's gonna convert alot of people to his side who aren't Ranger fans.

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I don't know burd....the argument can be made that these last 4 or 5 games have been as big as it gets for an NHL team, basically an early playoff run ....and Lundy has come through with flying colors, if he keeps it up, he's gonna convert alot of people to his side who aren't Ranger fans.
Gosh... it says a lot about us Rangers fans and the type of hockey we've had to endure when the last 4 or 5 games are considered "as big as it gets for an NHL team". No offense because I know where you're coming from. But all the BIG games for the Rangers have yet to be played.

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