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05-08-2014, 12:51 PM
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People sure love to bash this guy. He was never a franchise player? Damn straight he was. Guy used to be able to deke 2 defensemen in a phone booth. He won the Rocket Richard trophy one year. He was consistently a force for a weak Columbus team and trading him meant a total mentality shift for that franchise. NYR got him on the mid-to-downswing of his career, which has admittedly come a little early, but a change of scenery would probably help more than hurt.
He wasn't a franchise player because it was always apparent that a team with him as their best player wasn't going to win a damn thing. That wasn't just in Columbus, that was anywhere.

He won the Rocket Richard while tied with two others (Iginla and Kovalchuk), and he did it with fewer than 20 assists. The only player since 1929 (when the forward pass was legalized in all zones) to have 40 goals and less than 20 assists are Nash and Ron Sedlbauer.

He was never able to deke two defensemen in a phone booth. He was able to use his reach to get around players, but the ability to consistently stickhandle to create separation or open ice was never there. Sure, it happened from time to time, but it always seemed like an accident instead of a planned move.

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05-08-2014, 12:55 PM
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People sure love to bash this guy. He was never a franchise player? Damn straight he was. Guy used to be able to deke 2 defensemen in a phone booth. He won the Rocket Richard trophy one year. He was consistently a force for a weak Columbus team and trading him meant a total mentality shift for that franchise. NYR got him on the mid-to-downswing of his career, which has admittedly come a little early, but a change of scenery would probably help more than hurt.

It's not like the NYR are heavy on guys who make an effort in the first place. Call it the Bobby Holik effect: if you want a place to end your career like a wet fart while still making upward of $8 million a year, the Rangers will definitely call you up.
This is pretty much an exhibit in how Nash has been overrated over the years. Most of this could be said about Peter Bondra. Did anyone consider him a franchise player? And he scored goals at a consistently higher clip than Nash in a tougher era.

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05-08-2014, 01:29 PM
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He wasn't a franchise player because it was always apparent that a team with him as their best player wasn't going to win a damn thing. That wasn't just in Columbus, that was anywhere.

He won the Rocket Richard while tied with two others (Iginla and Kovalchuk), and he did it with fewer than 20 assists. The only player since 1929 (when the forward pass was legalized in all zones) to have 40 goals and less than 20 assists are Nash and Ron Sedlbauer.

He was never able to deke two defensemen in a phone booth. He was able to use his reach to get around players, but the ability to consistently stickhandle to create separation or open ice was never there. Sure, it happened from time to time, but it always seemed like an accident instead of a planned move.
Anyone who actually watched the Rocket Richard year, particularly at the end, it was VERY apparent that the entire focus of the last few games was "get the puck to Rick". I wouldn't be surprised if that was a mandate from higher up (xGMDM).

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05-08-2014, 01:41 PM
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Hopefully the Rangers can find a stupid enough team to trade him to.

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05-08-2014, 01:54 PM
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Well, you CAN buy them both out.... lol one is just gonna be on the cap for a loonnnggg time.
Not that I think it's a good idea per se, but I was curious:

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Brad Richards buyout from CapGeek.com
2014-15: $1,222,222
2015-16: $1,222,222
2016-17: $4,722,222
2017-18: $6,722,222
2018-19: $6,722,222
2019-20: $6,722,222
2020-21: $1,055,556
2021-22: $1,055,556
2022-23: $1,055,556
2023-24: $1,055,556
2024-25: $1,055,556
2025-26: $1,055,556

Rick Nash buyout from CapGeek.com
2014-15: $2,566,667
2015-16: $2,566,667
2016-17: $2,466,667
2017-18: $2,266,667
2018-19: $2,666,667
2019-20: $2,666,667
2020-21: $2,666,667
2021-22: $2,666,667
It's an open debate as to which would be the more painful, really. But if I had to pick I'd take the longer-duration-and-some-utter-disaster-years Richards buyout for a compliance buyout.

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05-08-2014, 01:58 PM
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Guys, leave Rick Nash alone. He made Team Canada!

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05-08-2014, 02:03 PM
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It was so apropos that he'd get boo'd while going coast to coast with the puck. He can't buy a goal but he didn't play poorly.

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05-08-2014, 02:46 PM
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Guys, leave Rick Nash alone. He made Team Canada!

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Also, he was drafted by Doug MacLean.


...what do you mean, "it doesn't work the other way around"?

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05-08-2014, 04:24 PM
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The strangest thing is that both Columbus and New York have been described as having a "country club atmosphere" while Nash was there.

I'm wondering if it's just coincidence because I don't see how one player can have that much of an impact (or that little of an impact).

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05-08-2014, 04:29 PM
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New York was described that way long before Nash though. I know some people said that about Nash and Columbus when he was there, and that may have been -need a CBJ fan to weigh in- but if that's the case, it simply means NY was a great fit for him with that personality, because it's been a country club in NY for years.

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05-08-2014, 04:32 PM
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New York was described that way long before Nash though. I know some people said that about Nash and Columbus when he was there, and that may have been -need a CBJ fan to weigh in- but if that's the case, it simply means NY was a great fit for him with that personality, because it's been a country club in NY for years.
The 11-12 Rangers were the opposite of a "country club"...

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05-08-2014, 04:34 PM
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Nash is probably the single best example of the double-standard the north American hockey media has for lazy, underachieving players based on their nationality and/or perceived style (small/fast/finesses versus big/"powerforward").

If Nash were from anywhere in Europe, or were a small North American forward regarded as "soft" he'd be utterly raked over the coals by the media for how he plays and produces.
I think Nash is a decent player, but this is so true, if he was Alexei Nashkin (lol) from St. Petersburg, he'd be getting killed and buried by the Western hockey press.

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05-08-2014, 04:37 PM
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The 11-12 Rangers were the opposite of a "country club"...
Yes, there's no doubt the Nash trade was a step in the country club direction again, but there's no denying the key word is again. It was a step back to being a country club. But that reputation, overall with the exception of a couple seasons of Dubi/Cally peak, has been here for a long time.

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05-08-2014, 05:03 PM
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New York was described that way long before Nash though. I know some people said that about Nash and Columbus when he was there, and that may have been -need a CBJ fan to weigh in- but if that's the case, it simply means NY was a great fit for him with that personality, because it's been a country club in NY for years.
Yes, Nash was Captain Country Club along with party boys Voracek, Commodore, Brassard, Mason, and eventually Carter.

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05-10-2014, 06:30 PM
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He's been overrated since winning the Rocket at a young age. Not a superstar or franchise player.

He's just a better version of Shane Doan.

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He's been overrated since winning the Rocket at a young age. Not a superstar or franchise player.

He's just a better version of Shane Doan.
Shane Doan plays with a lot more effort.

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05-11-2014, 12:36 AM
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Nash is trolling

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05-11-2014, 12:41 AM
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What is this obsession with Callahan lol?

He's a glorified third line player. Never performed in Horne playoffs outside against his playoff series against the devils.
What is this with throwing Callahan under the bus?

Until his contract talks hit the media, he was hailed as basically a god that embodied everything that has anything to do with Leadership and a guy that could put up more if he didn't have to do so much already as a leader, warrior, ares on ice.

Now he's hot garbage that's basically a 3rd liner.

Man, the love affair with you guys, when it ends, it gets nasty.

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05-11-2014, 01:30 AM
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He's been overrated since winning the Rocket at a young age. Not a superstar or franchise player.

He's just a better version of Shane Doan.
Nash is nothing like Shane Doan.

Doan= Hard working power forward with a good offensive touch.

Nash= Drifting goal scorer with silky hands and the ability to take the body, but never really does.

I wouldn't really even say Nash is better than Doan, other than the clear better goal scorer and puck handler. Doan's best season point wise is 78 points, his second best being 73. Nash's best is 79, his second being 69.

Do you get this comparison by looking at their stats on NHL 14 and seeing Nash's better overall and the fact that they are both listed as PWF?

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05-11-2014, 09:02 AM
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What is this with throwing Callahan under the bus?

Until his contract talks hit the media, he was hailed as basically a god that embodied everything that has anything to do with Leadership and a guy that could put up more if he didn't have to do so much already as a leader, warrior, ares on ice.

Now he's hot garbage that's basically a 3rd liner.

Man, the love affair with you guys, when it ends, it gets nasty.
This is exactly what happened. Gotta blame the NY media. Some Rangers fans became bitter because the guy who worked his @ss for the Rangers for years wanted a payday like everyone around him, in the end it was not the money but job security. He did not want to deal with trade bait rumors for the next 5 or 6 years, can you fault the guy? He is the kind of guy who will always put forth an effort even if he has a lingering injury or is dealing with Trade bait rumors because of the damn NY media.

To have to defend Ryan Callahan against some Ranger fans is an absolute joke. Notice I said some, because most fans want him back at the right price of course. It's these few fans who don't have patience when a player goes through a rough patch, look at this thread it is a perfect example, and I'm sorry but Nash deserves this, Callahan did not. The guy played with a major shoulder injury last playoffs and still managed to do more than Nash.

Since this is a Nash thread lets compare further...

Callahan - 65 GP - 36 Points - Makes 4.2 Million dollars - had 3 injuries to deal with, did not get a lot of PP time or offensive time under AV, and was traded.

Nash - 65 GP - 39 Points makes 7.8 Million dollars - sustained one injury had plenty of time to recover.

One of the last games I went to at MSG was the Colorado game, where Cally scored 2 goals and had an assist. The garden chanted "Cally" "Cally", because they supported him and wanted him re-signed. When he comes back to the garden in a different sweater he is going to get a louder cheer than the current Rangers players at that moment.

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05-11-2014, 09:07 AM
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Nash is nothing like Shane Doan.

Doan= Hard working power forward with a good offensive touch.

Nash= Drifting goal scorer with silky hands and the ability to take the body, but never really does.

I wouldn't really even say Nash is better than Doan, other than the clear better goal scorer and puck handler. Doan's best season point wise is 78 points, his second best being 73. Nash's best is 79, his second being 69.

Do you get this comparison by looking at their stats on NHL 14 and seeing Nash's better overall and the fact that they are both listed as PWF?
Agreed with all of this. Nash is more like a better version of Eric Daze.

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Nash is like a guy who hits .230, strikes out 185 times, but hits 30 home runs.


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Nash is like a guy who hits .230, strikes out 185 times, but hits 30 home runs.
So Rick Nash is Adam Dunn?

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Just awful offensively but he has been more than solid defensively

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So Rick Nash is Adam Dunn?
Pretty much.

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