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05-02-2014, 01:46 AM
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Gus isn't really more than a potential #4, but people now know what we felt/feel like hearing garbage about how good players Carcillo and Rinaldo are. Difference is that the guy we were arguing for actually deserved to be playing and on an NHL roster and shouldn't have been watching Hal Gill fail all over himself. One of the arguements was that Gus didn't kill penalties, but he did kill some in Game 6.
Obviously, the Flyers did not exactly bring along Gus in the right way.

Just check his stats: Gus has the same output in terms of points in college as Gostisbere but one is scrub and the other is the saviour...

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Obviously, the Flyers did not exactly bring along Gus in the right way.

Just check his stats: Gus has the same output in terms of points in college as Gostisbere but one is scrub and the other is the saviour...
Apples and Oranges dude.

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Apples and Oranges dude.
I like fruit in general

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05-11-2014, 07:12 PM
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Gus interviewed yesterday in swedish about future, his participation in World Cup and more. Pretty interesting!

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsi...rtikel=5859190


Most relevant parts from a Flyer perspective:

- After Christmas I think I've earned more playing time than I got, says Gustafsson, who admits that it's been a hard year.

- Of course it has been difficult. It's easy to believe that it's just glamor to be a NHL player, but sometimes it's really tough for us just like everyone else.

When the season was over, Erik Gustafsson said right after the last game that he wanted to play for team Sweden in the World Cup.

- There was no question. I wanted to get the chance to play and to end the season on a good and fun way.

Before Gustafsson left North America, he had a meeting with the Flyers who was positive to extend the contract and continue to go in for Gustafsson. But even so, he hesitates over his future.

- I want to play more hockey than I've done this year. No one develops from sitting on the side, so we'll see, says Gustafsson, who would prefer to stay in the NHL, but if he doesn't get enough of ice time there he can imagine playing in Europe.

- Then I'll aim for the KHL.

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05-11-2014, 09:05 PM
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Gus interviewed yesterday in swedish about future, his participation in World Cup and more. Pretty interesting!

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/gruppsi...rtikel=5859190


Most relevant parts from a Flyer perspective:

- After Christmas I think I've earned more playing time than I got, says Gustafsson, who admits that it's been a hard year.

- Of course it has been difficult. It's easy to believe that it's just glamor to be a NHL player, but sometimes it's really tough for us just like everyone else.

When the season was over, Erik Gustafsson said right after the last game that he wanted to play for team Sweden in the World Cup.

- There was no question. I wanted to get the chance to play and to end the season on a good and fun way.

Before Gustafsson left North America, he had a meeting with the Flyers who was positive to extend the contract and continue to go in for Gustafsson. But even so, he hesitates over his future.

- I want to play more hockey than I've done this year. No one develops from sitting on the side, so we'll see, says Gustafsson, who would prefer to stay in the NHL, but if he doesn't get enough of ice time there he can imagine playing in Europe.

- Then I'll aim for the KHL.
These comments as well as his comments in between periods in game six just bum me out.

The kid knows he's earned it. He wants it. He's outplayed the guys in front of him. Let him be the number six. It's really not a huge risk. I know it's a coach's decision, but hopefully Hextall can get Gus re-signed and put pressure on Berube to get him in the lineup.

At the very least, I just want to know what we have before we lose him. If he ends up being ****, then fine, but at least we'll know. Losing him to another team and seeing him become a good, cheap defender would be so annoying.

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05-11-2014, 09:15 PM
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I doubt Gustaffson comes back next year and I won't blame him a bit if decides to leave.

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Poor guy... **** Berube.

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hopefully Hextall can get Gus re-signed
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and put pressure on Berube to get him in the lineup.
This would be terrible.

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05-11-2014, 10:43 PM
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Gus isn't really more than a potential #4, but people now know what we felt/feel like hearing garbage about how good players Carcillo and Rinaldo are. Difference is that the guy we were arguing for actually deserved to be playing and on an NHL roster and shouldn't have been watching Hal Gill fail all over himself. One of the arguements was that Gus didn't kill penalties, but he did kill some in Game 6.
I'm really torn on Gus. I like his moxy, but I don't think he has top 4 potential, more like 5-6 max. What's missing with him is the confidence to play the PP. He has never really looked comfortable. To me, if you're a smurf Dman, you better be a PP specialist who can produce points.

He played well in the third pair with Luke. You build your D around a solid, balanced top 4, then you need your 5-6 guys to be PP and PK specialists. Neither Luke nor Gus can do that as well as I'd like.

In the end, if Kimmo comes back, there is no room for Gus so he might not want to come back.

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05-11-2014, 10:57 PM
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I cant see why Gus would want to come back. He deserved a much better fate this season given how he was treated. I think he doesn't sign his QO and the Flyers trade him or he goes back to Europe.
I like him a lot but I doubt he is back.

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05-11-2014, 11:06 PM
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Yeah, can't really blame him for being frustrated. Since Hextall is all about developing young players, maybe he can talk him into staying by promising him more playing time. Obviously he'd have to talk with Berube about that. I'd trade Grossmann for whatever I could get and let Gill walk. Then he'd have no choice in the matter but to play him, at least on the 3rd pair.

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yeah, Gus won't be back.

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05-11-2014, 11:25 PM
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at least with Gus you know he is going to be able to skate. He is good with the puck and is pretty good defensively for a 5/6 guy.
just not enough of that on this team. I am all for having toughness on the blueline but when they have cement in their skates and because of that constantly get beat in one on one situations then there needs to be changes.
If its not Gus then find guys who can move their feet.

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05-12-2014, 03:24 AM
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They need him mainly because of his low cap hit and they cannot pencil in Ghost or Alt or anyone else.

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05-12-2014, 07:09 AM
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Maybe his chances have improved with Hextall taking over for Homer but in general it looks like they have no idea how to fix the defense and just like that they have no idea what to do with Gustafsson...trying to add some short-term plugs to fix the biggest holes and wheather the storm until hopefully one of Morin/Ghost or Hagg emerges as the next Pronger... or Desjardin.
No plan B. No concept to change the style of play in their own end besides preaching that puck movement is more important than skating ability.

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They need him mainly because of his low cap hit and they cannot pencil in Ghost or Alt or anyone else.
I think Alt's size makes him much more appealing to the Flyers management than Gus.

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I think Alt's size makes him much more appealing to the Flyers management than Gus.
Alt would provide zero offense though. It's a trade off. He's got the size advantage but not much else.

Gus is a fine 3rd pairing guy and is cheap. Flyers should be looking to re-sign him on a one year deal and to dump Grossmann (no sense in paying a guy 3.5 mil a year who can't stay healthy/be useful). At camp let them battle it out for a spot and if Alt or Ghost or Hagg or whoever beats Gus out of that last spot then turn the page. Keep him as the 7th, trade him for a low pick or whatever.

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I don't know about zero offense; even Grossmann and LSchenn put up 10+ points this season. Alt's the type of player (big, decent skater, right handed) who could be a good complement to Streit.

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I don't know about zero offense; even Grossmann and LSchenn put up 10+ points this season. Alt's the type of player (big, decent skater, right handed) who could be a good complement to Streit.
L Schenn, despite his down season, has been a decent point producer. Along the lines of Coburn production. Grossmann actually had one of his best years offensively (as hilarious as that is). Alt is a tweener IMO.

Alt had 26pts this season in 76 games but that was with lots of pp time, something he won't get at the next level (if the Phantoms weren't so horrible he wouldn't have gotten it in the AHL either honestly, keep in mind he didn't get any pp time in college either). If he makes it to the NHL, I doubt he's more then a 10-15 point d-man. Certainly not zero but not very good either.

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L Schenn, despite his down season, has been a decent point producer. Along the lines of Coburn production. Grossmann actually had one of his best years offensively (as hilarious as that is). Alt is a tweener IMO.

Alt had 26pts this season in 76 games but that was with lots of pp time, something he won't get at the next level (if the Phantoms weren't so horrible he wouldn't have gotten it in the AHL either honestly, keep in mind he didn't get any pp time in college either). If he makes it to the NHL, I doubt he's more then a 10-15 point d-man. Certainly not zero but not very good either.
If Schenn can play next season the way he did during the playoffs he's going to be looking really good. Maybe Alt won't produce much offensively but I'd take him over Grossmann for sure, at least he can skate and move the puck, and I'm sure he'd put up more points than Grossmann too.

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05-13-2014, 01:41 AM
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Alt would have to impress big time at camp to get a shot. There is a reason why Homer and Hextall unanimously talk about the 3 (Three) exciting young defensemen pushing for a roster spot and Mark Alt is not one of them...

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I'm really torn on Gus. I like his moxy, but I don't think he has top 4 potential, more like 5-6 max. What's missing with him is the confidence to play the PP. He has never really looked comfortable. To me, if you're a smurf Dman, you better be a PP specialist who can produce points.

He played well in the third pair with Luke. You build your D around a solid, balanced top 4, then you need your 5-6 guys to be PP and PK specialists. Neither Luke nor Gus can do that as well as I'd like.

In the end, if Kimmo comes back, there is no room for Gus so he might not want to come back.
It's hard to get confidence being submarined by the coach and watching some howlers on defense and knowing that you're probably better than three of them.


I don't think Kimmo will have anything to do with him wanting to come back. I'm sure he knows the Flyers are always looking for defensemen. He thinks the team either does believe in him or he doesn't. Hextall needs to either decide he's going to play or cut his losses now, and use him in a trade.

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If Schenn can play next season the way he did during the playoffs he's going to be looking really good. Maybe Alt won't produce much offensively but I'd take him over Grossmann for sure, at least he can skate and move the puck, and I'm sure he'd put up more points than Grossmann too.
6 games is far too small of a sample size to decide that that is the real Luke Schenn. If everyone always played their best, they wouldn't ever have those questions, but he does because in the long-run he isn't this good unless there's a different system he fits in.

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05-14-2014, 10:33 AM
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It's hard to get confidence being submarined by the coach and watching some howlers on defense and knowing that you're probably better than three of them.


I don't think Kimmo will have anything to do with him wanting to come back. I'm sure he knows the Flyers are always looking for defensemen. He thinks the team either does believe in him or he doesn't. Hextall needs to either decide he's going to play or cut his losses now, and use him in a trade.



6 games is far too small of a sample size to decide that that is the real Luke Schenn. If everyone always played their best, they wouldn't ever have those questions, but he does because in the long-run he isn't this good unless there's a different system he fits in.
Schenn was arguably the team's best d-man in 12-13 (Kimmo was the other guy). And it wasn't just because everyone was injured either. He was playing loads of minutes and looked real good while doing it. He also had some very good seasons in TO. For me, Schenn's issue is consistency which stems from his lack of ice time. When he struggles at the start of a season he doesn't get the playing time and he continues to struggle. When he starts the season playing well and gets more minutes as a result, his good play continues. What I can't understand for the life of me is why Grossmann was getting 20 a game while being horrible for long stretches (injury or not) while Schenn was getting 16 a game even when he played better (when with Gus and MacD/when not with Mez).

I know he's been in the league for a while but I still think as a stay at home d-man his prime is still a few years a head of him and by then his consistency issues should be ironed out. My concern is will he get the playing time he needs in Philadelphia or will guys like Grossmann continue to get more minutes? If you look at his ice time in the season's he's played well, he was getting significantly more as compared to season's he struggled. And I know most would say his ice time is a reflection of his level of play but I would argue that Schenn is the type of player that needs more playing time to play at that higher level. I guess time will tell.

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Gus is no world beater, but he's better than Luke Schenn and Grossmann. Funny how much people overrate size. Gotta be able to do something with the puck first.

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It's hard to compare Luke Schenn to Gus. They're different players, so they excel at different things. I don't think one is necessarily better than the other.

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