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05-12-2014, 01:36 PM
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Even if we lost this series - WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO A CUP!

We swept the Lightning which was because Bishop was out and St-Louis no longer plays in Tampa, be are going to game 6 with Boston tonight, hopefully a game 7 too and a win, that being said, even if we do not win this series or the cup this year we are not far off!

Here is why...

Galchenyuk = Future first line centre
Plekanec = Shutdown centre and specialist
Gallagher = Future pest/gritty forward capable of playing on any line
Subban = Top 2 defenseman that can score
Tinordi = Future shutdown defenseman
Price = Franchise goalie

Now we are really missing a capable 40 to 50 goal scorer that will also show up every game in the playoffs and play physical and even fight, basically we need a Lucic or Perry in Montreal and we are almost complete and ready to compete.

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We swept the Lightning which was because Bishop was out and St-Louis no longer plays in Tampa, be are going to game 6 with Boston tonight, hopefully a game 7 too and a win, that being said, even if we do not win this series or the cup this year we are not far off!

Here is why...

Galchenyuk = Future first line centre

Plekanec = Shutdown centre and specialist
Gallagher = Future pest/gritty forward capable of playing on any line
Subban = Top 2 defenseman that can score
Tinordi = Future shutdown defenseman
Price = Franchise goalie

Now we are really missing a capable 40 to 50 goal scorer that will also show up every game in the playoffs and play physical and even fight, basically we need a Lucic or Perry in Montreal and we are almost complete and ready to compete.
Not a sure thing.

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We are a few solid pieces away, but I like the direction this team and franchise is ahead

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I agree. If we switch out the small players, we're right there. Just need to get lucky with matchups. Need more grit, a bit of a blueline upgrade (Tinordi, Beaulieu?), some growth from the kids...

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I liked the part where Subban is just a "top 2 defenceman."

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Now we are really missing a capable 40 to 50 goal scorer that will also show up every game in the playoffs and play physical and even fight, basically we need a Lucic or Perry in Montreal and we are almost complete and ready to compete.
I still have faith in Patches. He just needs a center that wont fall on his butt 90% of the time.

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Now we are really missing a capable 40 to 50 goal scorer that will also show up every game in the playoffs and play physical and even fight, basically we need a Lucic or Perry in Montreal and we are almost complete and ready to compete.
Lucic? A 40 to 50 goals scorer? The guy had 30, and exactly 30, only once. One goal less and people would be arguing that he's not even a 30 goals scorer.

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Price & PK are arguably at their peak right now and can be expected to stay at or near their peak for the next 4-6 years. We need to move, aggressively if necessary, to build a Cup-contending team within this window. There are pieces on the roster now (i.e. Eller, Plekanec, Pacioretty, Gallagher, Gorges, Emelin, Bournival, maybe Markov if we move fast), and prospects in the system (i.e. Galchenyuk, Tinordi, Beaulieu), that can be part of that Cup contender.

I think the trouble spot is along the wings. Keeping Vanek may be an option, depending on his asking price, but we need more depth than that.

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Yes, we are direction. still few important key pieces are missing(1C, 1 elite winger, 1 top d-men)

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Galchenyuk = Future first line centre
Plekanec = Shutdown centre and specialist
Gallagher = Future pest/gritty forward capable of playing on any line
Subban = Top 2 defenseman that can score
Tinordi = Future shutdown defenseman
Price = Franchise goalie
How many teams in the league can make their own list similar players as the ones bolded above?

~15-20?

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FYI Studies have shown that players peak at age 23 now, by 29 they are on a downward slide. of course there are exceptions.

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I liked the part where Subban is just a "top 2 defenceman."
He meant in the whole NHL, of course.

Things are getting there... but we do need to have those young D step up, and somehow get some more real scoring threats up front. Right now, we're dead in the water with Patches in a slump and some unsustainable guys we really couldn't have counted on stepping up (Bourque, Weise).

Those aren't minor needs, and there's a whole bunch of other teams moving in the same direction in our conference, though.

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If Galchenyuk can become a top flight offensive player, then yes, Montreal will be on the cusp of being a contender.

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FYI Studies have shown that players peak at age 23 now, by 29 they are on a downward slide. of course there are exceptions.
IIRC, that was for goal scoring alone. So basically, goal scoring wingers. Centers can develop longer, defensmen clearly take more time and we don't even talk about goalies.

And the 'peak' was ridiculously minor compared to how effective the guys remained for many years after.

I don't care if a guy scores 40 goals when 23 and 'only' 35 goals when he's 30. I still want him on my team.

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I'm happy with the way things are progressing. Management obviously has a plan and is sticking to it. (i.e., not rushing the young-ins). Habs did better than expected last year year and, likely, even this year. Expectations will be higher next year, so pressure with ramp up. Expecting the cup is silly in this day and age; besides having a great team, you need a healthy team, everyone firing on all cylinders at the right time, and a some puck luck. All as you can ask is for a team to be competitive year in and year out. I hope (and think) that's what we'll see over the next few years.

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Not close. But improving. Will be interesting where MB steers the team after this year.

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I am not saying Lucic is a 40 to 50 goal scorer, I am saying we need a Lucic type that can score 40 to 50 and as for Subban, YES he is a top 2 defenseman, what else should I say? He's the next Bobby Orr?

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If we manage to keep Vanek and our pigheaded coach actually plays Beaulieu and Tinordi next year, I think we're in very good shape.

Galchenyuk is the key. We need him to develop.

If we keep Vanek and get rid of some dead wood, we're one big center (and a coaching change) away from being a legit contender. MT can't gtfo fast enough in my opinion. He needs to go.

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Galchenyuk is not ready for first line duties against the stiffest of competition just yet. Kadri had his breakout year, but then cooled off as he got tougher responsibilities this season. Likewise, Galchenyuk too, will require adjustment to the speed of play among the elite of NHL players instead of the generally less skilled competition he has currently faced.

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We swept the Lightning which was because Bishop was out and St-Louis no longer plays in Tampa, be are going to game 6 with Boston tonight, hopefully a game 7 too and a win, that being said, even if we do not win this series or the cup this year we are not far off!

Here is why...

Galchenyuk = Future first line centre
Plekanec = Shutdown centre and specialist
Gallagher = Future pest/gritty forward capable of playing on any line
Subban = Top 2 defenseman that can score
Tinordi = Future shutdown defenseman
Price = Franchise goalie

Now we are really missing a capable 40 to 50 goal scorer that will also show up every game in the playoffs and play physical and even fight, basically we need a Lucic or Perry in Montreal and we are almost complete and ready to compete.
Ok, so Max isn't mentioned because he hasn't shown up in the PO's, but then you anoint Chucky and Tinordi as future cornerstones when they've proven nothing to date. After a 39-goal season at 24 years-old, I'd still bank on Max - call me crazy.

I do, however agree that we aren't far. I stand by my previous opinion that we won't win the cup with DD and TP, 1 and 2 respectively, down the middle. When Chucky is ready - with the addition of JT and NB - then it's on!

Addendum: I'm amazed at the character this team has displayed this season. If we make it past Boston, the cup is within reach. The future begins tonight!

GHG!!!

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We swept the Lightning which was because Bishop was out and St-Louis no longer plays in Tampa, be are going to game 6 with Boston tonight, hopefully a game 7 too and a win, that being said, even if we do not win this series or the cup this year we are not far off!

Here is why...

Galchenyuk = Future first line centre
Plekanec = Shutdown centre and specialist
Gallagher = Future pest/gritty forward capable of playing on any line
Subban = Top 2 defenseman that can score
Tinordi = Future shutdown defenseman
Price = Franchise goalie

Now we are really missing a capable 40 to 50 goal scorer that will also show up every game in the playoffs and play physical and even fight, basically we need a Lucic or Perry in Montreal and we are almost complete and ready to compete.
Hate to be a pessimist but this thread is silly.

Galchenyuk hasn't proven that he could even play centre, much less the first line. It was his sophomore season and he didn't do much of anything and lost his spot to an awful Eller and Desharnais. He's as far from a sure bet as you could have.

Plekanec is a two-way player, sure, but he's not going to strike fear in the hearts of our opponents. He's not that great. He's no Bergeron.

Gallagher is great, but hasn't shown much skill - he plays a bang 'em game. Sure.

Subban is a star. Price is a star. Tinordi? What has he proved?

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I am not saying Lucic is a 40 to 50 goal scorer, I am saying we need a Lucic type that can score 40 to 50 and as for Subban, YES he is a top 2 defenseman, what else should I say? He's the next Bobby Orr?
A Lucic that can score 40 to 50 goals... who's the last who did that ? Only ones that comes to mind are Eric Lindros, Keith Tkachuk and Brendan Shanahan (perhaps Iginla to some extent)... after them, who managed to be like that ? See, it's easy to say something like that, but damn, those players are so ****ing rare, EVERY team in the league needs one...

And Subban is a 'franchise' defenseman, much more than a 'top 2', isn't it pretty obvious right now, he's the one carrying the team, with Price...

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I don't feel like we are very close. As others have mentioned, we have definitely made a few steps in the right direction over the last 2 seasons. I am not sold on many of our offensive prospects though and I feel like there's still quite a bit of work to be done on the forwards lineup. We obviously have some key elements, but we also lack others, such as gritty talented forwards.

Close to a cup or not, I really missed winning a playoffs round. It's been a lot of fun watching the habs play in the post-season this year. Hoping for a good one tonight.

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Nah. Time is now. East is weak and we should have beat Boston in 6. If they blow this now it'll be awhile.

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Not a sure thing.
Agreed. I haven't given up at all, but he needs to show more, and coaching staff has to use him better.

What "worries me the most" is his foot speed... he's fast, but not excessivel, and he can't lose any of it to injkuries if we want him to become a great offensive force. I'd be disappointed if he became Plekanec 2.0. That, and his place on the team. He needs to play C and play the PP. I hope Therrien and Bergevin make that happen.

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