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Should Therrien Break Up Desharnais and Pacioretty?

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05-11-2014, 02:17 PM
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You can put DD between any pair of two big guys who at least try hard and he'll pretty much look the same as he does now, except that O-zone time can be sustained longer since those big wingers will actually do work to get the puck. That means that his ability to pass has a better chance to be showcased, but the tradeoff is that our other big wingers have worse hands.

Pacioretty though, if he keeps this up, is going kill any line he plays on because he's always deferring to his linemates to do all of the digging.


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Pacioretty Eller Gallagher
Vanek DD Weise
Briere Plekanec Gionta
Moen Prust Bournival

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05-11-2014, 02:35 PM
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Desharnais shouldn't even play. Briere for desharnais and white for prust
Brière can't play a lick of defense. Switching him for DD at ES is suicide.

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05-11-2014, 02:47 PM
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Brière can't play a lick of defense. Switching him for DD at ES is suicide.
This.

Briere was giving pucks away in games 1 and 2. DD takes the puck away from Bruins defenders and tries on defense, and he is actually successful quite a few times. Neither of them are suited to carrying a first line, but DD is better at helping the team keep pucks out of their own net than Briere.

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05-11-2014, 03:32 PM
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This.

Briere was giving pucks away in games 1 and 2. DD takes the puck away from Bruins defenders and tries on defense, and he is actually successful quite a few times. Neither of them are suited to carrying a first line, but DD is better at helping the team keep pucks out of their own net than Briere.
You still gotta score goals in order to win games so pick your poison. I'd need to look at some stats in order to see how much of a liability he is but someone recently said that the best players in the league lead with high give aways because it means they are touching the puck.

Atleast Briere's passes lead to something. DD just leads to nothing.

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05-11-2014, 03:37 PM
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You still gotta score goals in order to win games so pick your poison. I'd need to look at some stats in order to see how much of a liability he is but someone recently said that the best players in the league lead with high give aways because it means they are touching the puck.

Atleast Briere's passes lead to something. DD just leads to nothing.
Yea but briere coughs up the puck alot, with very limited minutes. DD over brier cheese anyday, and i've never been fan of DD

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Yea but briere coughs up the puck alot, with very limited minutes. DD over brier cheese anyday, and i've never been fan of DD
yet, playing 10 minutes a game with 4th liners, Briere still managed to setup 2 GWG these PO, can you say the same about our top liners ?

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Yea but briere coughs up the puck alot, with very limited minutes. DD over brier cheese anyday, and i've never been fan of DD
Sure but turning over the puck is one thing, getting scored on is another. How many turnovers led directly to a goal? Briere has 4 points in 8 games and is +2. Desharnais 3 points in 9 games and is +/- 0. DD can't even out produce Briere with twice as much ice time per game, top PP minutes and a full extra game. Kind of ridiculous no?

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yet, playing 10 minutes a game with 4th liners, Briere still managed to setup 2 GWG these PO, can you say the same about our top liners ?
Yea, maybe if we give Briere double the minutes, he will score double GWG's every game

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Yea, maybe if we give Briere double the minutes, he will score double GWG's every game
meh, better give the icetime to DD, he'll do it no problem

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yet, playing 10 minutes a game with 4th liners, Briere still managed to setup 2 GWG these PO, can you say the same about our top liners ?
Tampa was an opponent with weak depth, and hence Briere was able to play his sheltered role with not much issue. Boston's forward corps is deeper, and have come close to punishing Briere for his turnovers more than once, and they successful did make him pay in game 1.

His turnover in game 1 led to a goal. OT doesn't happen if that turnover doesn't happen. His points in the OT of game 1 was him just making up for his gaffe earlier in the game.

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yet, playing 10 minutes a game with 4th liners, Briere still managed to setup 2 GWG these PO, can you say the same about our top liners ?
He mostly play against the 3rd and 4th line. He manages to create scoring chances this ways, but still creates far too many turnovers in the defensive zone. This isn't quite as critical against 3rd and 4th line competition, but it would be against Krejci or Bergeron in the long run. He would also create much less offense against these guys.

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Sure but turning over the puck is one thing, getting scored on is another. How many turnovers led directly to a goal? Briere has 4 points in 8 games and is +2. Desharnais 3 points in 9 games and is +/- 0. DD can't even out produce Briere with twice as much ice time per game, top PP minutes and a full extra game. Kind of ridiculous no?
Ridic? it's been like this since day 1 with DD/ "omg he's so good with patches", with the "eat crow" thread popping up every now and then when DD goes on regular season rampage.
DD can't outproduce Briere, sure, but he's facing the best opposition, so very much a moot point, since you would assume Briere would do as good or better getting more minutes.

Briere is poop, so is DD/ but as longs as DD keeps making everyone "eat crow" with his 40 game PPG streaks, we will be discussing the same thing next year.


This is from philly briere days
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None of that even mentions that the more meaningful statistics only reflect just as poorly on Briere's playoff play. He is consistently used against below-average competition while starting in the offensive zone over 60% of the time, and yet he routinely loses the puck possession battle, in addition to being outscored.
he's one of the most "productive" PO performers in the NHL, but he's so complete sheeet that EVEN with being super productive, he still gets outscored (maybe not in his MTL monster sample size of ~10 games)


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You still gotta score goals in order to win games so pick your poison. I'd need to look at some stats in order to see how much of a liability he is but someone recently said that the best players in the league lead with high give aways because it means they are touching the puck.

Atleast Briere's passes lead to something. DD just leads to nothing.
He scored two points. One on a PP in 2OT. That 2OT likely doesn't happen if the Briere turnover earlier in the game, which led to a Boston goal, does not happen.

The other play was off a Mike Weaver shot block, which got to Briere's stick, and then he passed it to Weise. The remainder of his minutes were either forgettable nothings or bad turnovers leading to Bruins scoring chances.

DD cannot face top competition and opposing first lines, but as a bottom line center with two big wingers, he is adequate.

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Tampa was an opponent with weak depth, and hence Briere was able to play his sheltered role with not much issue. Boston's forward corps is deeper, and have come close to punishing Briere for his turnovers more than once, and they successful did make him pay in game 1.

His turnover in game 1 led to a goal. OT doesn't happen if that turnover doesn't happen. His points in the OT of game 1 was him just making up for his gaffe earlier in the game.
would be damn nice if our top players could make up for their gaffes... but they dont.

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would be damn nice if our top players could make up for their gaffes... but they dont.
Unlikely that Briere would handle Mr. Chara and Mr. Bergeron without committing a lot more gaffes than he already has. He was never utilized in a 1st line role in recent history; even Laviolette had the sense to not place him on the first line.

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Unlikely that Briere would handle Mr. Chara and Mr. Bergeron without committing a lot more gaffes than he already has. He was never utilized in a 1st line role in recent history; even Laviolette had the sense to not place him on the first line.
not many suggested that he'd play such a role.

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Yes with one of them having a seat in the press box for a game similar to what Budreau did to Selanne.

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DD & Patches are 16th and 18th in ES Habs scoring this playoffs

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DD can't do anything to create space for himself or others, that's why he gets killed in tough matchups. Been obvious from day 1. Can't believe people tried all year to refute this.

He's not close to a #1 C. He's a pure skill player that absolutely needs time and space to succeed. With time and space he will put up more points than someone like Eller because he has superior skill but without time and space you have to take Eller because he can push back and at least produce something, anything. Just using a bigger C like Eller as an example.

These are just the circumstances of the NHL. This is why small players don't get many chances because they can get knocked back from great players to absolutely invisible.

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DD can't do anything to create space for himself or others, that's why he gets killed in tough matchups. Been obvious from day 1. Can't believe people tried all year to refute this.

He's not close to a #1 C. He's a pure skill player that absolutely needs time and space to succeed. With time and space he will put up more points than someone like Eller because he has superior skill but without time and space you have to take Eller because he can push back and at least produce something, anything. Just using a bigger C like Eller as an example.

These are just the circumstances of the NHL. This is why small players don't get many chances because they can get knocked back from great players to absolutely invisible.
It's like a broken record.

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Geez Max is dead last without a single point 5on5, behind even Prust with a bum shoulder and Francis friggin Bouillon. Earlier in the season the EGG line was tearing it up because they were being used as an exploitation line and getting the easier matchups... until Pacioretty complained to the media. What is Pacioretty going to do now? Pout his way out of this one too?

I can't believe MT coddled these two while *****slapping guys like Eller as if they were redhdeaded step children. Absolutely pathetic!

Pacioretty out, White in!

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I think at this point, this line has done nothing really for 2 series, I would be fine with some juggling.

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another quick note, though I voted yes to break these guys up, I find it really childish how many posters are using this slump of these two players to totally rip them apart, We would all agree that Eller has stepped it up In playoffs as well as some of our other bigger bodies, but that doesn't mean DD, and Patches aren't playing well. They will take a lot of heat if they don't score in game 6 and get us back into it, but kicking them when they are down, (especially DD) is what a lot of fans have done to this player all season. Most times he has been able to answer his critics. I too am sceptical of a small player as this having success in playoffs but we must also look at the fact we are playing one of the biggest toughest defensive teams in the league. Lets not forget all the big goals these players scored thru the year to help us get this far at all.

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This is not a slump. They arent creating anything. Desharnais should center Bourque. If he is that good he'll make him produce.

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