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Even if we lost this series - WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO A CUP!

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05-12-2014, 01:35 PM
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Nah. Time is now. East is weak and we should have beat Boston in 6. If they blow this now it'll be awhile.
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05-12-2014, 01:50 PM
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A Lucic that can score 40 to 50 goals... who's the last who did that ? Only ones that comes to mind are Eric Lindros, Keith Tkachuk and Brendan Shanahan (perhaps Iginla to some extent)... after them, who managed to be like that ? See, it's easy to say something like that, but damn, those players are so ****ing rare, EVERY team in the league needs one...
Yeah, the guy is looking for a player that simply does not exist. Good plan.

You know what else would make us a contender overnight? A 100 points scoring defensemen who's 6'6, good in his zone, can fight and clear the crease. Plays 35 min. a game too. And if he's good at faceoffs, I'd be willing to pay him an extra 0.5M/year.

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Hate to be a pessimist but this thread is silly.

Galchenyuk hasn't proven that he could even play centre, much less the first line. It was his sophomore season and he didn't do much of anything and lost his spot to an awful Eller and Desharnais. He's as far from a sure bet as you could have.

Plekanec is a two-way player, sure, but he's not going to strike fear in the hearts of our opponents. He's not that great. He's no Bergeron.

Gallagher is great, but hasn't shown much skill - he plays a bang 'em game. Sure.

Subban is a star. Price is a star. Tinordi? What has he proved?
Two top line wingers.
Arguably the best blueliner in the league (top 5 for sure)
Arguably the best goalie in the league (top 5 for sure)
An excellent 2nd pairing blueliner
A good young 3rd pairing blueliner
A good 2 way center
A good 2nd line winger who goes to the net
A good 3rd line center who plays a two way game.

That's a lot of the pieces you need to win. Galchenyuk can't be considered a number one next year. We should start grooming him (should've started this year actually but MT is an idiot) though regardless of who we keep add at center.

If we added a legit number one pivot though... Seriously man, that's a very complete group.

Briere should go, DD should go (I know some won't agree with me on that but he should) Murray and Cube MUST go...
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Yeah, the guy is looking for a player that simply does not exist. Good plan.

You know what else would make us a contender overnight? A 100 points scoring defensemen who's 6'6, good in his zone, can fight and clear the crease. Plays 35 min. a game too. And if he's good at faceoffs, I'd be willing to pay him an extra 0.5M/year.
Eric Lindros pre-concussion.

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05-12-2014, 02:32 PM
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Eric Lindros pre-concussion.
defenseman...

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05-12-2014, 02:53 PM
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defenseman...
Well, I was joking obviously. Converting Lindros to D would be the closest you'd get, though!

We're just laughing a little bit at all the posters here saying we need an elite powerforward that fights and score 40 goals. This is delusional for a very simple reason: these guys simply don't exist anymore. Only 3 guys scored 40 this year.

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05-12-2014, 03:20 PM
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Habs need to upgrade at center (maybe it's Chucky) and need more size and skill on the wing - that may or may not include Vanek..another puck moving dman would help too

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defenseman...
You don't think Lindros can play defense?

Or... maybe we just put him at center and let DD be the blueliner. That would work too.

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05-12-2014, 03:53 PM
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Unfortunately Galchenyuk will never develop into our top line centre playing under Therrien (on the wing with about 9mins per game...)

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Well, I was joking obviously. Converting Lindros to D would be the closest you'd get, though!

We're just laughing a little bit at all the posters here saying we need an elite powerforward that fights and score 40 goals. This is delusional for a very simple reason: these guys simply don't exist anymore. Only 3 guys scored 40 this year.
Marian Hossa would be the so-called powerfoward that any team could use. No fights, but he skates like the wind, strong as a bull, and has more skill than anyone else on the team.

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05-12-2014, 04:31 PM
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This team will never win a cup as long as Therrien is the bunch boss.(PERIOD)

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05-12-2014, 04:31 PM
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Marian Hossa would be the so-called powerfoward that any team could use. No fights, but he skates like the wind, strong as a bull, and has more skill than anyone else on the team.
Can't fight, doesn't use his size to hit hard and punish the opponent. Useless.

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Can't fight, doesn't use his size to hit hard and punish the opponent. Useless.
Exactly why the powerforward ideal is silly. Having only a portion of all the skills that make up the ideal still can provide an effective player,

Hossa does use his size though. Maybe not always to hit, but he uses it.

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05-12-2014, 04:48 PM
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We swept the Lightning which was because Bishop was out and St-Louis no longer plays in Tampa, be are going to game 6 with Boston tonight, hopefully a game 7 too and a win, that being said, even if we do not win this series or the cup this year we are not far off!

Here is why...

Galchenyuk = Future first line centre
Plekanec = Shutdown centre and specialist
Gallagher = Future pest/gritty forward capable of playing on any line
Subban = Top 2 defenseman that can score
Tinordi = Future shutdown defenseman
Price = Franchise goalie

Now we are really missing a capable 40 to 50 goal scorer that will also show up every game in the playoffs and play physical and even fight, basically we need a Lucic or Perry in Montreal and we are almost complete and ready to compete.
Gally = time will tell
Turtleneck = we know what we get
Gallagher = hes more of a sparkplug than pest. yes he goes to the tough areas but
im not sure he sustainable longterm. If he wants to be in the marchand
mold, he needs a meaner streak.
Subban = the least of our worries
Tinordi = im fine giving him time but his development is not as good as I would have
liked. That turnover against the bolts in the regular season killed him.
it says something that the team chose cement feet murray over tinordi.
Price= not a problem.


we will likely lose vanek to FA, i think its surprising (and somewhat telling) that you did not include patches. But hes streaky and if hes in a funk we dont have secondary scoring, especially at even strength. Markov is on the tail end, emelin is also slow and if we go out to start to address our lack of depth on defense we should expect more drewisje/weaver type players.

if perrys and lucics were available we wouldnt have to ice lawn gnomes in our top 9, but they arent so we do.

baby steps forward but there is still a lot of road ahead of the habs.

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05-12-2014, 04:50 PM
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Marian Hossa would be the so-called powerfoward that any team could use. No fights, but he skates like the wind, strong as a bull, and has more skill than anyone else on the team.
Power forward in the eric cole mold ? thanks but Ill pass.

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Not close to a Cup...
Please stop that nonsense.

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Power forward in the eric cole mold ? thanks but Ill pass.
In my world, I consider the Kovalchuk that was in New Jersey, Kopitar and Hossa to be power forwards. I place more emphasis on guys who are strong on the puck and can make plays with their strength. Cole is not good enough for me because of his stony hand, lack of playmaking ability and poor defense.

And Crosby. I can excuse his poor defense because his lower body strength is godly and allows him to be extremely strong on the puck.

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This is the best chance we will have in years. The loss of Vanek is going to hurt.

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05-12-2014, 05:03 PM
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Marian Hossa would be the so-called powerfoward that any team could use. No fights, but he skates like the wind, strong as a bull, and has more skill than anyone else on the team.
Ten years ago he was awesome. Now he's better suited to the 2nd line. Still love to have him on my team but he's 35 now and declining.

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Ten years ago he was awesome. Now he's better suited to the 2nd line. Still love to have him on my team but he's 35 now and declining.
Chicago's first and second line are basically on the same level with each other.

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Chicago's first and second line are basically on the same level with each other.
But there's a world of difference between Kane and Hossa.

And let's face it, Chicago's probably the best team in the league.

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You think Bergevin can sign George Saint-Pierre and have him play tonight? We need someone of his caliber

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This team will never win a cup as long as Therrien is the bunch boss.(PERIOD)
Yup, this.

Just sucks that out of all the years, this year is the one where we actually had a legit shot to go to the finals, and Therrien happens to be our coach. The guy doesn't have it in him to win a cup. Couldn't even win with two of the best players in the world, how is he going to win with a sleeping Pacioretty and a hurt (speculation) Vanek. Oh yeah, Carey Price going God Mode, and even that doesn't ensure anything. If it wasn't for Bourque, Eller, Gallagher, and Pleks (with the exception of last game) stepping up, we are golfing a week ago. It's bone headed decisions and personal agendas that have plagued this team all season, and have hurt us on more than one occasion in these playoffs.

Want to be close to a cup? Getting a coach who puts winning games and developing prospects over personal agendas and coddling vets is a good start. Do that then we'll talk about contending.

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But there's a world of difference between Kane and Hossa.

And let's face it, Chicago's probably the best team in the league.
Kane provides a knack for scoring when it counts, so for that, he does get the edge over Hossa. But since Hossa can be counted on for a 200 foot game and still provide some pretty dynamic offense for a lot of teams, just not as good as Kane or other members of the "elite" in the NHL, I would say that he could still slot in on quite a few first lines around the league and not miss a beat.

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Not close. Not far. But we have been like that for many years.

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