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05-12-2014, 12:09 AM
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I'm really interested to see where Anthony DeAngelo ends up getting drafted. Sure he's got his issues, but he's clearly very talented too.
Late first round. He has a similar size and skill set to Ryan Ellis (except not nearly as talented), and Ryan Ellis went just outside of the top 10 if memory serves...

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Late first round. He has a similar size and skill set to Ryan Ellis (except not nearly as talented), and Ryan Ellis went just outside of the top 10 if memory serves...
I could see his character issues dropping him further.

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With one of the very late picks the Oilers have, (5th, 6th or 7th Rounds) I want to see the Oilers draft Edgars Kulda. He was 30-30 this year, is a ppg in the player in the playoffs and has a really good motor.

He seems like the kinda kid that might turn into a steal after a few years of development and might have the work ethic to get there.

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Matt Revel could be a good sleeper...

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/bu...015618833.html

http://www.kamloopsnews.ca/article/2...al-with-blades

http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/...htcard/reg2013

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With one of the very late picks the Oilers have, (5th, 6th or 7th Rounds) I want to see the Oilers draft Edgars Kulda. He was 30-30 this year, is a ppg in the player in the playoffs and has a really good motor.

He seems like the kinda kid that might turn into a steal after a few years of development and might have the work ethic to get there.
I agree... could be a solid late round pick.

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05-13-2014, 02:21 AM
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With one of the very late picks the Oilers have, (5th, 6th or 7th Rounds) I want to see the Oilers draft Edgars Kulda. He was 30-30 this year, is a ppg in the player in the playoffs and has a really good motor.

He seems like the kinda kid that might turn into a steal after a few years of development and might have the work ethic to get there.
He's also 19 and was playing on what was basically the first line with Pollock and Lazar all year. And in playoffs with Samuelsson/Moroz. He is a great junior player but not sure if this is a NHL prospect. He could be a decent AHL player. I think if we are taking Oil King wildcards I'd almost rather have Mads Eller in the 6th/7th - he has more of the x-factor needed to make it, IMO. Crazy compete and skating ability.

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With one of the very late picks the Oilers have, (5th, 6th or 7th Rounds) I want to see the Oilers draft Edgars Kulda. He was 30-30 this year, is a ppg in the player in the playoffs and has a really good motor.

He seems like the kinda kid that might turn into a steal after a few years of development and might have the work ethic to get there.
if he has a Mem Cup that is anything like the series he just had, he'll be gone before that. I'd be happy if they took him anytime after say, 100th. but, I'm only really guessing. I have no idea of the quality that may or may not be available at that point.

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My personal top 10 without having seen Kapanen

1) Reinhart - An absolute wizard and cerebral assasin on the ice. Kobe Bryant once said "they're out there playing checkers, I'm playing chess." That quote couldn't apply more to Reinhart. Right up there with Nuge for one of the smartest hockey players I've seen in the WHL. Hockey sense is through the roof. I think he could be a C in the vein of H. Sedin/Krejci. No he's not MacKinnon or Stamkos or Tavares, but he's still damn good.
2) Bennett - The type of player you win with. Competitiveness beyond belief, would make a good complement to Nuge's more subtle style. In your face and will break bones and hurt people to win a hockey game. Not as high-end hockey sense but has better physical tools (skating/1-on-1) and can will his way to goals and winning battles.
3) Ekblad - Could be a top pairing d-man for many years. Might not dominate a game like a Weber or a Doughty but is very well-rounded and has a bomb from the point that could end up rivalling the best in the league at some point. At his best when he's making simple plays to advance the puck and suffocating offense using his range and defensive presence, bad when he complicates his game, runs around and gets scrambly trying to do too much and make passes he shouldn't. Could be a top pairing staple for many years, his ability to leverage his advanced strength with his advanced sense of gap control and spacing allows him to overcome his not great skating and wide pivot radius.
4) Nylander - Probaly the most purely skilled player in this draft with his blend of skating, vision, playmaking. Can be a bit selfish at times but his ability to make plays at any time of the game that is second to none. Has the ability to turn games around singlehandedly and command the entire offensive end of the ice with his dynamic ability.
5) Ehlers - Electrifying. Skates like there are rockets attached to his skates and he can make high skilled, electrifying plays at high speeds. Shows a willingness to backcheck and play physical when warranted and commitment to the overall game. Could be a first line winger like a Radulov with a heart.
6) Dal Colle - NHL-level release on his shot, best in this draft class. Will be a winger at the NHL level that snipes goals. Has the potential to be a first-line winger with otherworldly sniping abilities like an Alex Semin without the Russian baggage.
7) Draisaitl - eyes in the back of his head. Think he will show flashes of brilliance in the NHL showing elite offensive ability but will be held back from being an elite player because of his skating. His vision is unbelievable and finishing ability very underrated. First line winger potential with a Voracek/Vanek type impact.
8) Virtanen - Scored 45 goals this year and loves the physical game, could be the best skater in this draft in a different way than Ehlers. Skates with power and quickness for his size not often seen. Terrific tools. I envision him with a possibility to be an excellent top-6 50-65 pt guy that can score 30-35 goals playing a game very similar to a healthy Nathan Horton.
9) Pastrnak - loves to have the puck on his stick, loves to make plays with the puck and can sometimes fall in love with the puck being on his stick. Extremely fun player to watch that could be a top-six winger with excellent puck possession skills like a David Perron with better skating ability
10) McCann - two-way threat with an elite shot and extremely versatile skillset. Will be on your PP, PK. Still young but his all-around game is constantly evolving and has dynamic abilities. Could be a jack of all trades type centre like Plekanec. I have McCann, Bleackley and Barbashev grouped closely together so those two would fill out my top 12 as of now.

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05-13-2014, 08:38 AM
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No. Phaneuf is a cancer in the locker room by all accounts, and suffers from regular brainfartism.

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Just watched the 1st period of Finland - Germany. I gotta say, Draisaitl's skating is much worse than I remembered. I thought it would just require some minor tweaking but right now it looks like it needs a complete overhaul. That's not even close to NHL skating right there.

How hard is it exactly to improve on skating? I know the kid has a great mindset and really wants to improve and get better every day. Is it something he could improve drastically over the summer or is it something that will take a lot of time? Is it a real worry that he might not be able to improve it to an NHL level?

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Please let the Phaneuf talk die... please...

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Just watched the 1st period of Finland - Germany. I gotta say, Draisaitl's skating is much worse than I remembered. I thought it would just require some minor tweaking but right now it looks like it needs a complete overhaul. That's not even close to NHL skating right there.

How hard is it exactly to improve on skating? I know the kid has a great mindset and really wants to improve and get better every day. Is it something he could improve drastically over the summer or is it something that will take a lot of time? Is it a real worry that he might not be able to improve it to an NHL level?
This is a big concern for me. He looks like Jason Allison. Great vision, protects the puck well, put up good numbers in junior, and is bad skater. Some players can improve and some cant. Eberle got a lot better. Gagner, who seems to have pretty good work ethic and dedication, is still pretty slow imo. Allison himself was always slow but was able to make a decent career before injuries derailed him.

Its really tough to tell if he can make it work. How much better can he get? Can he afford to put on more size? If he has even average speed he could be a fantastic prospect, but you simply can't be slow in the NHL these days and his first strides are very sluggish.

I really want him to be better because i like his skill set but the fact is if this wasn't such a red flag he probably would be rated 1-2 instead of 4th.

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05-13-2014, 12:15 PM
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This is a big concern for me. He looks like Jason Allison. Great vision, protects the puck well, put up good numbers in junior, and is bad skater. Some players can improve and some cant. Eberle got a lot better. Gagner, who seems to have pretty good work ethic and dedication, is still pretty slow imo. Allison himself was always slow but was able to make a decent career before injuries derailed him.

Its really tough to tell if he can make it work. How much better can he get? Can he afford to put on more size? If he has even average speed he could be a fantastic prospect, but you simply can't be slow in the NHL these days and his first strides are very sluggish.

I really want him to be better because i like his skill set but the fact is if this wasn't such a red flag he probably would be rated 1-2 instead of 4th.

I remember Jason Allison on the Leafs the most when he had lost a step. The guy would slow the game to his pace which was hilariously slow. Put up beastly points on the powerplay though.

I don't think skating can be fixed at all, players can work on their edges and improve their skill for slightly better performance.

You can't fix slow though, if you could everyone would just skate like Paul Coffey or Mike Gartner etc etc.

The Leafs thought Nik Antropov could just become a much much better skater and they ended up with... Nik Antopov a big, non physical, poor skater.

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God damn LD looks awful, just awful. There's a reason this guy is like never pegged at the top of any mock drafts. He can't ****ing skate. Why are people on here so adamant on drafting a non-physical, poor skating forward? Yeesh, I'd rather trade the pick.

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His skating is definitely uggggly. Worse than Rob Schremp.. who we were all told would fix his skating. Looks worse on big ice. Kid is years away.

I like Leon... but one of Bennet/Reinhart is going to be available.. I think we have to go that direction.

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His skating is definitely uggggly. Worse than Rob Schremp.. who we were all told would fix his skating. Looks worse on big ice. Kid is years away.

I like Leon... but one of Bennet/Reinhart is going to be available.. I think we have to go that direction.
If we traded down with a team like Toronto, and got another asset plus their 8th overall pick, sure, I'd take a gamble on LD and his rollerblades, but with Reinhart or Bennett available at 3rd overall? There's no way.

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His skating is definitely uggggly. Worse than Rob Schremp.. who we were all told would fix his skating. Looks worse on big ice. Kid is years away.

I like Leon... but one of Bennet/Reinhart is going to be available.. I think we have to go that direction.
It sounds like he's having problems skating against men. I still wouldn't mind him on the team but you have to think that Reinhart and Bennett are ahead of him on the Oilers draft board.

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Schremp's skating did improve from when we drafted him, it just never got good enough to make up for some of the other shortcomings in his game. The big ice never flatters below average skaters.

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When you're finding yourself making excuses to justify picking a player maybe you instead pick the safer and more highly rated prospect.

LD would be a fantastic project but the Oil can't afford to miss here.

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When you're finding yourself making excuses to justify picking a player maybe you instead pick the safer and more highly rated prospect.

LD would be a fantastic project but the Oil can't afford to miss here.
Exact reason why I want Bennett. I don't mind Draisaitl but theres better options on the board at 3. If he could skate he'd probably be in the conversation for top 2 in the draft but he can't so it's a mute point.

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I wouldn't mind Draisaitl if the organization was going to be patient with him.

Another year of junior and a start in the AHL the following year would be a solid plan.


I have a feeling whoever they pick is going to be treated as another saviour and get tossed right into the line-up though.

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His skating is definitely uggggly. Worse than Rob Schremp.. who we were all told would fix his skating. Looks worse on big ice. Kid is years away.


One of Bennet/Reinhart is going to be available.. I think we have to go that direction.
He could've, but wasn't all that interested in working on it. One of Schremp's biggest problems was that he always felt he was good enough already, and I never got the impression from him that he ever felt he had to do more than what he was doing in order to make it.

Just listen to every training camp interview with him over the years he was in this organization. They were all the same; "Yeah, I thought I was ready last year, but now I know how far away I truly was...but now I'm good enough". MacT's "no interest in the battle" comments were especially damning.

Comparing Draisaitl to Schremp because they both had skating issues is beyond silly.


We'll probably have a shot at Bennett, but I don't see Reinhart being there at #3. If he was, we need to take him and run. He's still my #1 player in this draft. I'm less sold on Bennett, but I also haven't seen much of him outside of youtube clips and TSN segments that were basically as much about Doug Gilmour as Bennett (so out of character for TSN, I know). I am probably leaning towards Bennett over Draisaitl, but I also don't think they're so far apart that I think we should be worried if we go with Leon. And he definitely fits a bigger need.

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you have to think that Reinhart and Bennett are ahead of him on the Oilers draft board.
Let's hope so. Back in January, after seeing the WJC and top prospects game, you could tell skating was a major issue because the higher level of competition also meant higher pace that seemed to leave him behind. Then he turned it on in the back half of the WHL season and everybody seemed to think the issue was exaggerated because they saw him blow by some 16 yr old bottom pairing D man in a YouTube highlight. Fast forward to this tournament, and the weakness is glaring. In his defence, there aren't many draft eligible players that would be making any sort of impact, but if we're picking 3rd overall, that player better become an impact player in all facets of the game. A PP specialist/Jason Allison 2.0 isn't going to cut it.

If people want to assume his skating can improve considerably, then I'm going to assume Sam Bennett can fill out to 250 lbs and bench press cars next time someone brings up the size vs playing style argument. Same likelihood they happen.

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I wouldn't mind Draisaitl if the organization was going to be patient with him.

Another year of junior and a start in the AHL the following year would be a solid plan.


I have a feeling whoever they pick is going to be treated as another saviour and get tossed right into the line-up though.
they should be doing that with whoever they pick...especially Draisaitl or Bennett

enough with throwing these guys to the wolves

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