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Does Williams have a chance to be a stud? I understand the NFL doesn't value RB's on draft day but this guy was a 4th rounder...Did he at least have second round grades?

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Does Williams have a chance to be a stud? I understand the NFL doesn't value RB's on draft day but this guy was a 4th rounder...Did he at least have second round grades?
i think he has a chance to be a real solid player. he looks like a real power back that can punish runners. sort of like ahmad bradshaw. i heard analysts didn't like that fact that he's inexperienced in terms of catching passes out of the backfield and that he seems to be hesitant at times.

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i think he has a chance to be a real solid player. he looks like a real power back that can punish runners. sort of like ahmad bradshaw. i heard analysts didn't like that fact that he's inexperienced in terms of catching passes out of the backfield and that he seems to be hesitant at times.
Upside of Frank Gore.

Downside of a nondescript 3 YPC runningback.

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Upside-I think Williams could be Marshawn Lynch after taxes

Downside-Brandon Jacobs

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Upside-I think Williams could be Marshawn Lynch after taxes

Downside-Brandon Jacobs
Brandon Jacobs was a phenomenal running back for you guys. His downside is not Brandon Jacobs.

He's a good value pick that will fit a role for you guys for trying to win now, but he'll have a short shelf life (even relative to NFL RBs). He has a TON of mileage at BC.

I don't think he's a guy you'll sign to a 2nd contract.

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Brandon Jacobs was a phenomenal running back for you guys. His downside is not Brandon Jacobs.

He's a good value pick that will fit a role for you guys for trying to win now, but he'll have a short shelf life (even relative to NFL RBs). He has a TON of mileage at BC.

I don't think he's a guy you'll sign to a 2nd contract.
Funny how you wouldn't say that about Sankey considering he's had 644 carries over three years, 616 of them coming the last two.

Williams has had 704 carries over 4 years, 485 over the last two.

His usage is overblown because of last season.

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Funny how you wouldn't say that about Sankey considering he's had 644 carries over three years, 616 of them coming the last two.

Williams has had 704 carries over 4 years, 485 over the last two.

His usage is overblown because of last season.

I would also say that about Sankey...

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I would also say that about Sankey...
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Seriously though, I don't think it's too heavy a workload over a two year period. I'm not expert on the physicality of NCAA football though.

Williams will also be worked in slowly. I assume someone like Sankey has a legitimate shot to being a feature back as a rookie since the Titans don't have anyone else.

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Does Williams have a chance to be a stud? I understand the NFL doesn't value RB's on draft day but this guy was a 4th rounder...Did he at least have second round grades?
I think hes pretty average. His tape isnt special.

Hes a pound the ball kind of guy who runs high and has almost no ability to cut.

I watched three games of his and I dont think he ever made a single guy miss.

He does have balance and power so he can run through arm tackles, but even the smallest CBs in the NFL tackle a heck of a lot better than the guys in college do.

Brandon Jacobs had plenty of his own issues, he had terrible balance, and ran either so low he fell forward onto his face, or ran high and guys got under him and tripped him up. I dont see much comparison bewteen Williams and Jacobs at all, to be honest.


Williams upside, IMO, is that of Shonn Greene.


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Brandon Jacobs was a phenomenal running back for you guys. His downside is not Brandon Jacobs.

He's a good value pick that will fit a role for you guys for trying to win now, but he'll have a short shelf life (even relative to NFL RBs). He has a TON of mileage at BC.

I don't think he's a guy you'll sign to a 2nd contract.
Phenomenal is a bit much IMO

Jacobs was very good at pass protecting & was very good at getting going through open holes.

Williams already does both of those in college & I'd be shocked if he couldn't do them in the pros.

Jacobs struggled when there wasn't an apparent open hole & would tip toe behind the LOS or rush to bounce outside.

I don't know if Williams vision will be good enough for the smaller holes in the pros.

Jacobs struggled catching the ball.

Williams is tbd as a rcvr IMO.

Jacobs mindset & aggressiveness seemed to help bolster the OL's identify at times. While he could be incredibly irritating, hot headed, & immature there was also a small piece leadership unlike the rest of the offense he provided IMO.

I still think my comparison applies. I think Williams is a proven warrior. If he was a bit faster at the 40 he'd have gone way higher imo

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RE: Williams "mileage"

He had 1 major year last year. Considering our RB depth & TC's usual disdain for playing rookies I doubt very much he'll get a major workload this year. The NYG also used a committee approach in years prior.

I don't think it'll matter much.

Also, every Reese draft pick after round 1 tends to be injury prone anyways lol

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every Reese draft pick after round 1 tends to be injury prone anyways lol
What do you mean, after?

Aaron Ross - constant injuries
Kenny Phillips - out of the league due to injury
Hakeem Nicks - constant injuries
JPP - was a shadow of himself due to injury
Prince - missed 12 games in 3 seasons
Wilson - spine injury

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What do you mean, after?

Aaron Ross - constant injuries
Kenny Phillips - out of the league due to injury
Hakeem Nicks - constant injuries
JPP - was a shadow of himself due to injury
Prince - missed 12 games in 3 seasons
Wilson - spine injury
Yeah, idk, I guess I was thinking that they all usually suck after round 1. I just was distracted & on my phone.

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I think hes pretty average. His tape isnt special.

Hes a pound the ball kind of guy who runs high and has almost no ability to cut.

I watched three games of his and I dont think he ever made a single guy miss.

He does have balance and power so he can run through arm tackles, but even the smallest CBs in the NFL tackle a heck of a lot better than the guys in college do.

Brandon Jacobs had plenty of his own issues, he had terrible balance, and ran either so low he fell forward onto his face, or ran high and guys got under him and tripped him up. I dont see much comparison bewteen Williams and Jacobs at all, to be honest.


Williams upside, IMO, is that of Shonn Greene.

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Rodney Hampton never made anyone miss either he just ran through them
Yea. And rodney hampton averaged less than 4 ypc in his career.

If you can't move well laterally, you aren't going to be anything special.

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I don't know if you were around for Rodney but he was a great back

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From my understanding he's not a good scheme fit for the Jets and is projected as too small for D line but too slow to be a linebacker.
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Did not realize a guy with that award would be too slow for LB, but I take your word for it, esp, since Jets are properly trying to get faster.

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Read an article that said the Jets blundered this draft. I disagree, this is the best draft the Jets have put together in quite some time
Also mostly agree w/you.

I'm not thrilled with our mid selection receiver picks.
There was a quality G, if not Ivy league, academic, I think, want to say name was Yancy.

Should have taken instead of a receiver there.

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Great? He was good his first couple years, then average after that.

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Also mostly agree w/you.

I'm not thrilled with our mid selection receiver picks.
There was a quality G, if not Ivy league, academic, I think, want to say name was Yancy.

Should have taken instead of a receiver there.
Yancy?


Yankey? you mean?

Hes a very average guard. Was extremely overrated by the internet mock draft people.

He went where he should have, in the 5th round. Dont see him as a starter.

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Yankey? you mean?

Hes a very average guard. Was extremely overrated by the internet mock draft people.

He went where he should have, in the 5th round. Dont see him as a starter.
Yankey, I think, yes. Thanks.
We'll see how much overrated.
Just sayin', we also needed more on the OL and I like the rest of our picks at those slots, but I'm not sure a move somewhere to get more protection would not have been better as I don't see these 2 guys being anything but basic adds.

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